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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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so chris o'brien is kind of sorta on

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special assignment he has a doctor's

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appointment he's still

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kind of navigating that problem with his

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lungs and i hope things get better

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but he still has to go through treatment

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for that maybe he needs a better doctor

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i'm urging him

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to check for one of the places in

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phoenix and see if they can deal with

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pulmonary issues but what do i know

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about things like that after all yeah

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chris seems to have been having chest

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problems for quite a while now

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so you know maybe maybe it is time for a

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second or third opinion

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right well you know i'm not going to ask

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anybody who listens to the show to

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render a medical opinion that's not even

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ethical but we're always open to ideas

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definitely open the ideas any case sigs

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makai is going to be our guest co-host

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this week and goggs you have been

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otherwise occupied

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in

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recent months what have you been up to

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oh just um work flying a drone i got

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myself a drone um and traveling within

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just for the day doing a bit of work

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there's um i i know i've private

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messaged you about this but on the 8th

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of july

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there's the scottish ufo and paranormal

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conference

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and myself and a couple of

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other podcast listeners from the uk

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are going to be meeting up and going to

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this conference

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we would absolutely love to meet anyone

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who hasn't already

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but as i said so saturday 8th of july

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tickets are 10 pounds

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and we'd love to see anyone that listens

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to the show and so we kind of hit on

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friends or whatever i've got one friend

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that's kind of like half a listener

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really he occasionally listens

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half a listener we have to deal with

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that we cannot allow half listeners

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sometimes these are the people who post

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messages on itunes saying we run 500 the

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power cast announcements every episode

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we have 2 000 commercials

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and as a matter of fact one of the

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wackiest reviews we've gotten at itunes

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and i realize most people are just

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sincere most people are sincere and they

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do make an effort to

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provide whatever input they want

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like us or hate us or otherwise

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gcn runs commercials for a paranormal

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that's our responsibility no folks it's

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it's not a responsibility

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we have our own little allotment of ads

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that we run and most of you recognize

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which ads come from us the rest it's up

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to the network to sell the ads to decide

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simple as that i remember early on when

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ads because they had a lot of

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give them a try that's what we say

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simple as that does that make sense

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and we throw in quantum mechanics

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because it sounds cool what's your

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well you know the the longer i'm

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then i i think i would have to agree i

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as i'm definitely as much um for a

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unified paranormal force intelligence

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footing as being behind ufos uh as much

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as eth and nuts and bolts if not more

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so just to explain uh maybe there are

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nuts and bolts craft maybe

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whatever aliens or interdimensional

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travelers or stuff

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it seems to me that there are more

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there are more and more reasons to think

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it can't be that simple and some of the

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great thinkers in ufology

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the eths nuts and bolts and then they

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kind of think but yeah that really

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high strangeness

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some of the glaring um facts about ufos

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abductions and and contact experiences

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like why this

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ridiculous variety of

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do when they land on the ground why do

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all the beings kind of either look like

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nordics or supposedly reptilians or

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whatever and they're all very

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anthropomorphic so it to me it makes

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that whatever is behind it all some

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trickster paranormal force i don't know

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these are a real creature and

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you like but if they were to think

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that you know maybe they are literally

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created to order um you know we're going

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reason they think right let's let's do a

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ufo craft and it can almost be

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who specializes in orange orbs and other

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strange phenomena and he's coming up on

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the power cast today so we'll get to him

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in just a moment chris o'brien's on

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special assignment more or less so we're

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cogs makai

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catching up with him

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we welcome to the power cast robert

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spearing

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and he has a lot of fascinating stuff

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that he's been exploring over the years

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and we'll get to that in a moment i do

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want to send a thank you to erica lukes

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who recommended robert if you come on

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the show

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thank you erica eric as you know appears

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occasionally on the power cast and

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sometimes as a guest co-host but this

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week as i mentioned before we have goggs

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makai

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direct from his

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caverns in which he lives

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in the north of scotland

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that doesn't make any sense either does

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it gogs

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no yeah i'm down in a deep bunker it's

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connected by one of these magnetic

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trains to the aurelian bunker over in

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north carolina

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we're thinking of adding phoenix to it

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so we might get a stop in your basement

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soon jane

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i don't have a basement a lot of homes

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in arizona do not have basements i think

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we're afraid of what we might find down

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there

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spiders

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we'd be lucky i want you to know by the

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way robert

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that goggs was not the person who taught

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actor james duhan how to imitate scotty

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so robert welcome to

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the powercast we're glad to have you

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aboard and i might get started on the

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things that got you

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interested in ufos was it just reading

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about it was it a personal experience

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what uh well in 1986 i had a personal

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experience but to backtrack a little bit

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in 1964 when i was six years old 1965 my

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uncle came in the house one day after

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the big blackout that blacked out the

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whole northeastern united states and he

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said to me ufos did it and then he

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started telling me about

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swamp gas and he started telling me

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about football-shaped ufos over swamps

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and i got hooked in 1986 i had my one

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and only ufo sighting and it was an

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orange orb sighting i was camping in a

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very remote part of new jersey round

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valley reservoir huge lake surrounded by

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dense forest i was sitting on the beach

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on a canoe

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about two o'clock in the morning heavy

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rain

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very low cloud cover covering the tops

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of the mountains and the friend of mine

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and i saw this pink light coming over

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the lake it was so quiet you could hear

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a pin drop but we heard nothing from

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this we didn't know what it was

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we knew it wasn't a helicopter or an

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airplane and we watched it for about 40

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minutes just hover over the lake

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all of a sudden it just did a set of

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incredible maneuvers like an upside down

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question mark with stops and starts and

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then it froze for a second and then shot

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off across the horizon so fast that it

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left the street years later i went back

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and calculated how fast it could have

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been going from the time it shot to

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where we lost it on the horizon it had

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to be going over 15 000 miles per hour

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from zero

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needless to say i had never heard of

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orange orbs at that point but i knew it

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wasn't some sort of chinese lantern or

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helium balloon or drone because drones

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were not in fashion back in 1986

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about five years ago i got involved with

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mufon

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i became a field investigator in new

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jersey and gradually i worked my way

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into international cases because they

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had a shortage what happened was mufon

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became so popular from the tv show

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hangar one that we began to get

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inundated with reports from all over the

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world rather than just the united states

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and we had a shortage of people so my

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job basically is to train field

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investigators in other countries right

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now i'm the national director of india

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and spain

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and i'm also on the mufon special

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assignment team which is the upper

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echelon of field investigators uh we

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investigate the really unusual cases

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i do historical cases like 1957 texas

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pantex nuclear plant case

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and pretty much that's where i am now

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i had an investigative background on the

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railroad and a statistical background

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nobody comes into ufology from college

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so you've got to come from some sort of

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background that's probably investigative

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or scientific to become a field

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investigator i did a lot of statistical

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analysis and as a result now when i

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analyze cases

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i use a statistical approach looking for

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patterns between certain cases in

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distance and time and that's pretty much

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where i'm at right now bob gogg's here

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are you familiar with the allagash case

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i was a long time ago i'm not that

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familiar with it now

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yeah i'm not you know overly sure in all

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the details but i'm sure it's up in the

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northeast of the united states also but

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what what you were telling there about

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being on a canoe at night

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you know in the middle of nowhere is

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very very reminiscent of

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of the allagash case now i believe there

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was three or four guys there camping and

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fishing you know from small boats i

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don't think it was an orange orb i

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believe it was maybe a more a classic

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craft

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saucer shape but i'm not sure but in

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their case it wasn't until later on

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that they started to find out and maybe

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through hypnotic regression partly

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through a conscious recall but i believe

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that they

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eventually found out that well they

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believe they may have been abducted do

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you think there was any missing time in

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your case no you're not the first person

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who's asked me that um i do not believe

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i had any missing time uh i know that

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that in some orb cases people do have

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missing time but i do not have

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flashbacks or any sort of dreams i do

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not believe that i have any sort of

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implants within me so no i don't think

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that that happened to me do you think

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orange orbs are

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just um

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maybe illuminated solid craft or do you

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think they're like very separate from a

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nuts and bolts ufo

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um i'm starting to veer towards that

519
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there's some sort of uh plasmatic life

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form that is intelligent i don't think

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that they're nuts and bolts craft they

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do act intelligently and i believe that

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it's just not one phenomenon but there

524
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may be several related um phenomena

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that fall under the what we're studying

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right now for example ball lightning is

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a form of plasma and ball lightning is

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unusual in that when people approach it

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it backs away or it approaches people it

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shows some sort of basic intelligence a

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lot of the other cases we've had uh some

532
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of them were very bizarre one in

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solidarity ethiopia in 1970 where an

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orange orb actually went through the

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town destroyed several buildings turned

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around came back and ripped up the road

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before it disappeared after killing a

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girl

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so they do have behaviors

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i do not think though that at this point

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they're nuts and bolts craft however

542
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especially during the 1950s and 60s a

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lot of people did see red objects in the

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sky that did turn out to be glowing

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metal from the bottoms of nuts and bolts

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crap so we have to differentiate

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sometimes between what's an orb and

548
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what's a nuts and bolt craft because

549
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sometimes they do look similar

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i'm going to want to ask you and we'll

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pursue this more in our next segment

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robert

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about

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this

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intelligence or basic intelligence

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aspect

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of the orange orbs where they sort of

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respond

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now

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with robert spearing i asked him a

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ufos are themselves life forms as trevor

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james constable once said what's your

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response i have both of trevor's books

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his feeling was that they were some sort

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of amoeba-like light form floating in

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uh has not been discovered yet he called

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it an atmospheric sea

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where um these living life forms may be

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floating around in in a sea of air

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mindless or with just a basic

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rudimentary intelligence

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i do not take that off the table there

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are plenty

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of cases where we've

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filmed objects floating in and out of

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clouds uh such as chemtrails and as such

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uh and that there's a conspiracy theory

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about the chemtrails that they may be

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either seeding these beings or actually

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trying to destroy them i don't know i've

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never investigated that avenue but the

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current theory is that they may be more

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plasma based

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entities the main problem with plasma is

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that it's an ionized gas and an ionized

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gas needs to be contained because it's

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not in its natural state

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it would want to revert back to giving

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its electrons back to the the molecule

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mechanism within the object itself to

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make it cohesive

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there's nothing that can do this right

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now that we know in science so we're

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sort of mystified how these balls of

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plasma can stay together they have

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behaviors

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they know how to reproduce uh if you

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have them in a

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scientist have put them created them in

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microwave fields and they have lasted as

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long as the microwave field was intact

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and ironically since 1964

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the majority of ufo cases

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in the world are orbs

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and this coincides with the amount of

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microwave antennas are being put all

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over the globe too that there's more and

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more and there may be

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some sort of connection to it but these

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things can stay

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in place indefinitely they're not

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chinese lanterns they're not helium

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balloons they're actual

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three-dimensional objects that people

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see and film they have enormous number

787
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of behaviors they zigzag make right

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angle turns uh they blink out blink back

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on uh they come close to people and when

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people try to talk to them

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telepathically

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and say move to the right the orb will

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move to the right so there's something

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going on that that suggests it's more

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than just a mindless ball of plasma at

796
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least they're more obedient than my dog

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gogs bob this kind of sounds to me like

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you're maybe going in the direction of

799
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this this isn't some

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intelligence that is controlling

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plasma energy to

802
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uh to travel in this is kind of like the

803
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the object and the intelligence are all

804
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one is that is that getting you right

805
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yes but it gets more complicated than

806
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that because throughout history orbs

807
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have been seen in conjunction with other

808
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ufos so if they're just some sort of

809
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native undiscovered type of life form

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that's uh native to earth

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why are they associated with so many

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nuts and bolts ufo sightings there's a

813
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definite connection in 2009 in scotland

814
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black triangle flying across scotland

815
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trailed by two balls which kept

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switching positions behind it in south

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africa in 2014

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there was a huge disc flew right over

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the guy's head and he watched two orange

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balls detached from it if you go all the

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way back to

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nuremberg in 1561 the great aerial

823
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battle with the cylinders and the

824
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crosses and the orbs in the sky

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the orbs are seen coming out of

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cylinders in the 1960s in massachusetts

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you have cylinders over a lake releasing

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orbs in france in 1954 i believe it was

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you have a cylinder

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escorted by two orbs shooting electrical

831
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impulses between each other so there's a

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large amount of literature to suggest

833
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that these orbs if they are some sort of

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life form may be controlled by other

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life forms

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if i'm remembering right there's some

837
00:33:17,430 --> 00:33:14,559
great footage um from mexico probably

838
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,440
above mexico city specifically and where

839
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,159
there seems to be this kind of

840
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:22,559
long balloon type thing that almost

841
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:25,679
looks like it's giving birth to multiple

842
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:28,880
orbs i've seen that yes now i i don't

843
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,080
specifically remember the color and

844
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:34,960
how important is the distinction that

845
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,760
we're talking about orange herb or orbs

846
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:39,919
as opposed to any other color

847
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:41,840
well this is what i'm working on now for

848
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:44,720
for mufon uh mufan instituted something

849
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:48,000
called project orange and it fell on my

850
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:51,760
lab and erica luke's who subsequently uh

851
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:54,159
isn't involved with it anymore uh to try

852
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,559
to statistically analyze uh orbs okay

853
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,440
so

854
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:01,200
what project orange is trying to do is

855
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:04,480
quantify the behaviors and such so we

856
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:08,960
analyzed 489 cases to date in 48 states

857
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:12,320
for seven fourth of july periods

858
00:34:16,869 --> 00:34:14,560
because july 4th is the heaviest orb

859
00:34:19,349 --> 00:34:16,879
sighting day of the year so we tried to

860
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:19,359
get a week of data and we're almost done

861
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:23,040
but of the 489 cases we've done so far

862
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:25,679
we correlated what's the colors of these

863
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,440
orbs in various mufon reports and 40

864
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:31,200
percent total

865
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:32,240
are

866
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:36,560
orange followed by 35 percent red yellow

867
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,679
next and blue then green than violet

868
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:41,599
while it's less than one percent so the

869
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:45,200
majority of orb cases seem to be

870
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:46,960
orange and that's why we take an

871
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:49,839
interest in it we're trying right now to

872
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:51,919
get somebody to do a spectrographic

873
00:34:56,910 --> 00:34:54,639
analysis of an orb uh if they can

874
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,920
capture it on film there's an app called

875
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876
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,320
which is by the american physical

877
00:35:06,550 --> 00:35:03,520
association a group of physicists where

878
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:06,560
you can actually turn your iphone into a

879
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:09,760
spectrograph and our theory is that

880
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,720
these objects these plasmas may possibly

881
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,520
be made out of strontium

882
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:18,720
which is a glowing red uh

883
00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:21,040
uh radioactive metal or they may be

884
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,780
phosphorus um

885
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,000
[Music]

886
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:26,160
as you know is this is this a bit like

887
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:29,200
how you get sodium vapor lamps you know

888
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,240
certain elements would excite

889
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:34,000
yes this that's how you get different

890
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:35,680
colors certain elements give different

891
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,640
colors so we believe that the the color

892
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,280
of the orb may be based on what it's

893
00:35:44,390 --> 00:35:42,839
actually made out

894
00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:44,400
of and

895
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:46,320
forty percent are orange that's why we

896
00:35:49,109 --> 00:35:47,760
call them orange that's the most

897
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,119
prevalent color

898
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,440
yeah and i suppose um uh i'm also

899
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:53,280
thinking that um

900
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:55,280
you know in terms of uh giving off

901
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,079
visible light things can be red hot and

902
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:00,640
white hot so it's like almost like an

903
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:03,200
associated level of energy

904
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:05,040
to do with the color i suppose i suppose

905
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,800
it can be looked at from a couple of

906
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:08,079
angles

907
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:10,400
there may be a very specific reason why

908
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,800
there's this band of 40 percent because

909
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,720
of you know whatever how this thing

910
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:16,720
travels and the amount of energy it's

911
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:19,280
giving out or whatever or leaking or

912
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,240
well yes in the 1950s especially a lot

913
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:24,640
of ufo reports they noticed that as the

914
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,119
ufo changed color it would either slow

915
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,520
down or accelerate so they believed that

916
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,119
color had something to do with the

917
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,280
propulsion system

918
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let's break it here guys

919
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we're going to explore

920
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:39,040
some of those indicators about ufo

921
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:40,960
propulsion systems

922
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,400
orange orbs living ufos and a few other

923
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[Applause]

1032
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[Music]

1033
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so chris o'brien is off this week goggs

1034
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makai is our

1035
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guest co-host we've got robert spearing

1036
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:39,200
mufon field investigator

1037
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,240
and

1038
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,720
i guess we'll call you the expert on

1039
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:44,800
orange orbs you were telling us about

1040
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,119
cases in the 1950s where the color of

1041
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:48,960
the ufo depended on whether it was

1042
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:51,680
slowing down or changing its flight

1043
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,640
pattern

1044
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:55,040
right right those were nuts and bolts

1045
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,560
craft they definitely found the

1046
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:58,720
correlation between the colors and the

1047
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:01,520
speed of the craft this was when the air

1048
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:03,760
force was investigating prior to project

1049
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:06,960
blue book project sign they were sending

1050
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,680
memos between the chief of the air force

1051
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,160
and wright-patterson air force base uh

1052
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:13,839
trying to delineate the different types

1053
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,800
of ufos and among them were amorphous

1054
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,560
balls of light

1055
00:42:21,349 --> 00:42:19,839
and the colors

1056
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:21,359
suggested that the

1057
00:42:27,990 --> 00:42:24,400
more red that it was the closer it was

1058
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:28,000
to infrared ivan t sanderson believed

1059
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:31,680
that before a ufo would blink out it

1060
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:33,839
would turn red because it was going into

1061
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,079
the infrared range and that's why it

1062
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,000
became invisible to humans we call that

1063
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:39,760
blinking out

1064
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,480
so when they come into existence and

1065
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,640
john keel felt the same way about this

1066
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,800
they come in from the purple part of the

1067
00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:49,359
spectrum the ultraviolet spectrum into

1068
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,720
visible light

1069
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:52,880
now bob earlier on i kind of quickly

1070
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:55,200
touched on this um one of these cases in

1071
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,480
mexico where you seem to have one larger

1072
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,599
object giving birth to smaller ones now

1073
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:03,839
have you seen these in with their orange

1074
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:06,480
orbs any kind of similar phenomenon yes

1075
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:07,760
uh many times

1076
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,160
like i said earlier if you go back to uh

1077
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,960
nuremberg in 1561 you have the orbs

1078
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:14,720
coming out of the cylinders in that

1079
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,079
aerial battle in massachusetts you have

1080
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:20,960
cylinders releasing glowing balls in

1081
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,280
france you have the balls at the orbs

1082
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,760
escorting a cylinder and what's also

1083
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,000
interesting about the orb cylinder

1084
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,640
connection is that in all of these

1085
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,359
stories or accounts or the wood cut from

1086
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:36,000
1561 by hands glazer

1087
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:39,680
the cylinder is always at a 45 degree

1088
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,359
angle so we believe that it has

1089
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,440
something to do with the operation of

1090
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,800
the release mechanism that allows these

1091
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:48,960
orange orbs to be released from

1092
00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,359
cylinders uh and lately

1093
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:52,720
we've been getting

1094
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,160
reports of orange orbs associated with

1095
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:59,280
black triangles as cylinder sightings

1096
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:01,359
decrease and decrease greatly in the

1097
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,720
21st century the amount of black

1098
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,599
triangle sightings is increasing as is

1099
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,760
the number of sightings in conjunction

1100
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,240
with orange orbs trailing or being

1101
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,160
attached to the back of the black

1102
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,960
triangles do we have any reason to

1103
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:19,520
believe that the military or the air

1104
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,680
force whatever the military industrial

1105
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,800
complex

1106
00:44:28,390 --> 00:44:25,520
have any interest specifically in the

1107
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:28,400
orange orb phenomenon well yes i'm

1108
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:29,920
really glad you asked that question

1109
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:31,839
because we noticed something over the

1110
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:34,880
past 14 months if you go to my website

1111
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:36,560
i'll give you details later i have an

1112
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:39,520
article on it about helicopters chasing

1113
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:43,520
orbs over the past 14 months mufon has

1114
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:46,800
gotten an inordinate amount

1115
00:44:54,069 --> 00:44:47,599
of

1116
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,079
blacked-out helicopters chasing small

1117
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,560
red lights just over the roofs of

1118
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,440
neighborhoods these aren't quiet apache

1119
00:45:04,870 --> 00:45:02,079
helicopters these are loud sagorsky type

1120
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:04,880
military helicopters uh and they seem to

1121
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:07,839
be flying in a blacked out way without

1122
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:10,240
any sort of navigation or anti-collision

1123
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,280
lights flying dangerously low making

1124
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:15,520
people's windows rattle

1125
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,760
as we don't know if these helicopters

1126
00:45:20,710 --> 00:45:18,480
are

1127
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,720
escorting these orbs or if they're

1128
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,480
chasing them trying to figure out what

1129
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,880
they are but i spoke with an apache

1130
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,520
helicopter pilot who was stationed out

1131
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:29,680
of maguire air force base

1132
00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:32,079
in new jersey and he said that it's

1133
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:34,400
suicide for helicopters to fly in the

1134
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,319
fashion that they're flying they wear

1135
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:38,079
night vision goggles all the time when

1136
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,240
they fly at night and they only have a

1137
00:45:44,870 --> 00:45:42,880
split second to react when they see

1138
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:44,880
something so if they're flying low like

1139
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:48,480
over a roof or or by a telephone pole or

1140
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,280
some sort of microwave tower the chances

1141
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:53,200
of them getting into an accident are

1142
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,079
crazy so you have to ask yourself

1143
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:58,640
what is so important about chasing a

1144
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,119
little ball of red light that these

1145
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,920
blacked-out helicopters would fly such

1146
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,079
dangerous patterns yeah i believe

1147
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,480
there's a really good well-documented

1148
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:11,359
case in which uh i think it was a police

1149
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,960
helicopter was following maybe orange

1150
00:46:18,710 --> 00:46:16,640
maybe green orb and i believe it may

1151
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,720
even be included in one of the hanger

1152
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:21,200
one episodes am i am i remembering this

1153
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,599
right yes you are i remember seeing the

1154
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,400
video of that on one of the tv shows yes

1155
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:28,240
um and they never came out and told you

1156
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,400
what it was that they saw that they were

1157
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,760
flying next to

1158
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:33,599
no i think you're right there yeah

1159
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,400
gene i just want to get into more of

1160
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,400
this and get the separation so we have

1161
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:40,800
the orange orbs and we've got the nuts

1162
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,480
and bolts craft

1163
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:44,079
and i want to spend a little time with

1164
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:46,640
nuts and bolts here so nuts and bolts by

1165
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:48,240
your definition

1166
00:46:50,630 --> 00:46:49,200
robert

1167
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,640
these would be

1168
00:46:55,589 --> 00:46:53,200
physical spacecraft from somewhere right

1169
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,599
discs cylinders triangles that type of

1170
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:57,520
thing where are they from is a good

1171
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,440
question are they extraterrestrial are

1172
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,839
they interdimensional are they black ops

1173
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:04,079
from the united states government and i

1174
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,440
if we answered those questions we

1175
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:07,200
wouldn't be you know studying it so

1176
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:08,800
intensely still

1177
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:11,680
you know it's interesting to think that

1178
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:14,640
let's just say for instance orange orbs

1179
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,480
are some innate life form intelligence

1180
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:22,160
that that originate from the earth right

1181
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,319
and let's just say for instance that

1182
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:26,480
there are nuts and bolts craft coming

1183
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,240
from elsewhere

1184
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:30,640
there's no reason to think that if they

1185
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,400
were visiting here for whatever reason

1186
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:34,160
they are got interest in humans or

1187
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,200
whatever

1188
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,880
they have got every reason just to be

1189
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,119
just as interested in this other

1190
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:42,240
possible life form so i mean it could be

1191
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,359
humans

1192
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:45,440
and beings from elsewhere other

1193
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:48,000
dimensions or other planets and we are

1194
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,800
both individually studying this strange

1195
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,359
plasma orange life form

1196
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,200
yes there's also a theory out there that

1197
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:57,599
they may be some sort of organic

1198
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,119
probe from aliens a good example is is

1199
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,760
an um earl naval weapons station in new

1200
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:05,359
jersey and several other places around

1201
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,480
the united states

1202
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:08,400
where when we've pegged

1203
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,760
orange orb

1204
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,079
sightings in certain areas of say new

1205
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:14,079
jersey we found that there's large

1206
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,040
concentrations over uh military

1207
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,960
installations but not any kind of

1208
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:21,440
military installation you would think it

1209
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,599
would be an air force base but it's not

1210
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:26,640
it's usually weapons depots

1211
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:30,400
ammunition factories and nuclear testing

1212
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,960
sites where these objects are so it

1213
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:35,920
seems that they are drawn for some

1214
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,440
reason to sites where weaponry uh is

1215
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,839
made this makes you wonder if these

1216
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,760
things are just some sort of basic

1217
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:45,599
intelligent creatures or if they have

1218
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,440
some sort of purpose

1219
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,280
now what about the worldwide

1220
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:51,520
distribution do you have any information

1221
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,240
on about uh orange orbs elsewhere

1222
00:48:59,190 --> 00:48:56,960
outside with north america no we've

1223
00:49:00,950 --> 00:48:59,200
concentrated basically on the united

1224
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:00,960
states in this project orange that we're

1225
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,599
doing but i can tell you that canada

1226
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:05,680
southern canada has a large

1227
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,319
concentration of orbs uh on both sides

1228
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,359
of the border lake erie and lake ontario

1229
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:14,000
are hotbeds ivan t sanderson the

1230
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:16,319
cryptozoologist and ufologist in the

1231
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:20,240
1960s and 70s believe that orange orbs

1232
00:49:26,230 --> 00:49:23,920
come from a base underneath lake erie we

1233
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,240
did a study as part of project orange to

1234
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,200
see if when the lake freezes over as

1235
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,760
lake eerie does every couple of years

1236
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:34,480
if orange orbs decrease and in the

1237
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:37,920
spring when there's algae blooms when a

1238
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,720
lot of phosphorus is given off we found

1239
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,520
that

1240
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:44,640
orange orbs increase in those areas so

1241
00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,680
and phosphorus is in fireworks also and

1242
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,920
there's an enormous amount of sightings

1243
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,000
67 percent of sightings on the 4th of

1244
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:54,960
july entail an orb and fireworks

1245
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,440
fireworks have phosphorus and strontium

1246
00:50:02,309 --> 00:49:59,760
which is a radioactive element so we

1247
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:02,319
believe there's something drawing these

1248
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:06,400
orbs to fireworks and to algae blooms in

1249
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,480
lake erie there's actually somebody who

1250
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:11,520
has a website devoted to lake ontario

1251
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:15,680
orb sightings uh so it is is a and the

1252
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,599
amer the american and canadian indians

1253
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:20,000
used to call them wizard lights around

1254
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:22,240
lake erie and lake ontario so we know

1255
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,680
that there's a high percentage of

1256
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:26,640
sightings in canada

1257
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,000
is there much associated or reported

1258
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:32,800
high strange events um along with

1259
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:37,829
no

1260
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,040
what's interesting is that on orbs seem

1261
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:43,839
to avoid contact it seems like they want

1262
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,200
to be seen

1263
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:47,280
but they don't want to be studied and

1264
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,559
observed close up and there's only like

1265
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:52,880
one or two stories that we're aware of

1266
00:50:57,589 --> 00:50:56,160
where people actually lost time

1267
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,599
when viewing

1268
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,079
an orange orb i met a girl

1269
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,240
two years ago who said that an orange

1270
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,359
orb came down and scanned her

1271
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:08,079
and she felt that she was being violated

1272
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:09,599
um so

1273
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,960
uh

1274
00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:13,920
but stories about actual abduction are

1275
00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:16,400
very rare the one that really oh okay

1276
00:51:20,870 --> 00:51:18,800
you were going to say something

1277
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:20,880
i was just going to say do we know the

1278
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:25,040
um is there much of us a range of sizes

1279
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:27,440
are there any um decent sightings in

1280
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,200
which someone's been able to make a

1281
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,520
decent guesstimate of the kind of size

1282
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,760
these objects are well that's one of the

1283
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:36,559
weaknesses of the the cms reporting

1284
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:39,599
system in mufon we've got gene and goggs

1285
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:52,710
you are listening to gcn

1286
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:53,640
visit

1287
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1288
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1298
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1330
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:36,319
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1331
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,520
cube

1332
00:53:41,510 --> 00:53:39,440
six seconds is how long it takes for an

1333
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:41,520
18-wheeler traveling at a safe speed to

1334
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:43,280
come to a complete stop

1335
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,440
and in those six seconds that truck will

1336
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:47,599
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1337
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,319
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1338
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front of a large truck for any reason

1339
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1340
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[Music]

1341
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:09,750
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1342
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,359
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1343
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:14,640
and now

1344
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,390
we got jean and goggs

1345
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:26,880
goggs is our guest co-host this week

1346
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:30,079
robert sparing is talking with goggs

1347
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,200
about

1348
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:33,680
the phenomenon of orbs before we go on

1349
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,559
with these descriptions now obviously

1350
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:37,680
science

1351
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,720
has not accepted the reality of ufos

1352
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:42,000
from

1353
00:54:45,430 --> 00:54:43,520
outer space

1354
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,440
what do they say about orange orbs if

1355
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:47,520
anything there's differing opinions on

1356
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,480
it you have professor strand in norway

1357
00:54:53,589 --> 00:54:52,400
with the hessdalen lights who believes

1358
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,599
that they are

1359
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,119
balls of plasma uh not just one ball but

1360
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,119
balls of different size contained within

1361
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,000
that give off uh low frequency

1362
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,960
uh radiation and are capable of

1363
00:55:09,430 --> 00:55:06,880
splitting he believes that there's some

1364
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,440
sort of high temperature plasma balls in

1365
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:11,680
95 percent of the cases and in five

1366
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:13,680
percent of the cases he concludes that

1367
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:16,720
they may be solid objects there's also

1368
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,319
people who believe that it's all ball

1369
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,480
lightning what's interesting about ball

1370
00:55:24,870 --> 00:55:22,160
lightning is that it's usually no bigger

1371
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:24,880
than a fist to go back to god's question

1372
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:28,079
about size whereas orbs seem to be the

1373
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:29,839
ones that we've studied mostly between

1374
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,920
four and ten feet when people try to

1375
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:33,920
estimate their size and the difference

1376
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,440
the main difference between ball

1377
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:38,079
lightning and orbs is that ball

1378
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:40,800
lightning explodes after several seconds

1379
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:43,440
uh in less than one percent of our cases

1380
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,920
orange orbs explode and most of them

1381
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,480
last well over several seconds then

1382
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,480
there's earth lights or earthquake

1383
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,640
lights which seem to appear

1384
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:54,640
just prior to earthquakes and this has

1385
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,400
happened all over the world uh there's a

1386
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,559
fellow who who wrote several books on it

1387
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,640
i believe his name is paul devereaux

1388
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,040
perhaps who believes that they're the

1389
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,480
result of

1390
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:05,680
friction

1391
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:09,040
between rocks causing uh two effects one

1392
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,160
called triboluminescence and one called

1393
00:56:16,150 --> 00:56:14,160
physioelectricity

1394
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:16,160
our feeling is that these are not strong

1395
00:56:21,270 --> 00:56:18,640
enough forces to create the orbs that

1396
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,280
we're seeing uh i believe that that ball

1397
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:24,000
lightning is in the same family possibly

1398
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,680
as in earthquake lights but there's

1399
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,440
definitely different opinions as to what

1400
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,119
they are and then of course there's the

1401
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,520
the standard orange orb theory in

1402
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:34,480
ufology that says these things may be

1403
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:36,640
either some sort of living

1404
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:38,640
intelligent plasma or some sort of

1405
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,319
artificial alien probe artificial alien

1406
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,319
probe let's explore that for a couple of

1407
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,640
minutes here if the aliens are here and

1408
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,480
they're sending probes those probes

1409
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,079
possibly would be things we couldn't

1410
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:51,680
understand anyway

1411
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,000
so right why assume

1412
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,160
that's what they might be because they

1413
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:57,760
act so intelligent and seem to have a

1414
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:00,240
purpose like with the military bases why

1415
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:01,680
is there an inordinate amount of

1416
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:04,319
sightings around military bases uh it's

1417
00:57:09,510 --> 00:57:06,240
possible that there's some form of

1418
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,520
technology that we have no clue about or

1419
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:11,200
that they've been

1420
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:14,160
corralled as some sort of living entity

1421
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,160
to be used by uh aliens or whoever else

1422
00:57:23,109 --> 00:57:20,480
may be using them uh when we talk about

1423
00:57:24,829 --> 00:57:23,119
them in conjunction with with with uh

1424
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:24,839
cylinders and

1425
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,480
triangles so they may be some sort of

1426
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:30,880
living technology that we have no idea

1427
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,520
about because it's not from earth

1428
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,400
okay it's been common obviously over

1429
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,960
the years in the ufo field to speak of

1430
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,559
ufos as

1431
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,559
physical objects

1432
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,480
from outer space

1433
00:57:47,829 --> 00:57:46,480
from beings who are here for

1434
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:47,839
reasons

1435
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:49,920
we may not even understand

1436
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,000
when we get back to the early days of

1437
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:54,799
ufology because it dates back to that

1438
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,200
this right theory

1439
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:59,200
question obviously is this

1440
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,440
how do we prove

1441
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,040
how do we know

1442
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,319
they're really spaceships and not

1443
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,950
that's that's the hardest question of

1444
00:58:13,030 --> 00:58:10,319
all uh

1445
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:13,040
i believe that uh there are people on

1446
00:58:18,150 --> 00:58:14,720
this planet who know

1447
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:18,160
what uh ufos are uh especially the nuts

1448
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:19,440
and bolts kind

1449
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:21,760
there's so much information that has

1450
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,559
squeaked out over the years

1451
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:26,160
that the government knows more than they

1452
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,520
let on

1453
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:29,920
until we actually capture one

1454
00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:32,559
you know until we actually

1455
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:34,720
get the spectrographic analysis of an

1456
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,920
orange orb or possibly communicate with

1457
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,599
one

1458
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:41,119
we're not going to know what's really

1459
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,480
going on but i think that the

1460
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:44,640
overwhelming amount of evidence suggests

1461
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:47,119
that something is going on whether it's

1462
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,040
u.s government

1463
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:50,960
whether it's alien whether it's

1464
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,960
interdimensional or whether it's life

1465
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:54,799
forms

1466
00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:56,720
native to earth that we just don't

1467
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,559
understand yet i don't think we have the

1468
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,760
answers and i don't think we're going to

1469
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:02,319
have the answers for a long time

1470
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:04,160
all right if the government any

1471
00:59:07,750 --> 00:59:06,000
government is hiding information they

1472
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:07,760
know more than we do

1473
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,760
and we assume they ought to

1474
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,079
in a situation like this

1475
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:14,079
do they know the answer they're just

1476
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:16,000
hiding it from us or

1477
00:59:21,270 --> 00:59:18,240
are they afraid to give us the answer

1478
00:59:23,829 --> 00:59:21,280
because they don't know

1479
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,839
i think that that that um

1480
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:26,160
human beings in this day and age are

1481
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:29,440
capable of handling the truth um

1482
00:59:34,069 --> 00:59:32,400
there's several ideas that you know they

1483
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,079
they're afraid that they'll be panicked

1484
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:36,720
that there'll be uh mass social collapse

1485
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,839
that religions will uh cause thousands

1486
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:41,440
of people to kill themselves because

1487
00:59:45,910 --> 00:59:43,680
they've been proven invalid uh i don't

1488
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:45,920
think any of that's gonna happen uh if

1489
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,000
you go into this the secret space

1490
00:59:53,670 --> 00:59:50,799
program uh we may actually be doing

1491
00:59:56,069 --> 00:59:53,680
business with entities that may not be

1492
00:59:58,829 --> 00:59:56,079
from this world and that's why they're

1493
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:58,839
trying to keep it under cover uh

1494
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:01,920
because the real reason people may get

1495
01:00:07,430 --> 01:00:04,799
mad if we find out there's other races

1496
01:00:09,030 --> 01:00:07,440
that are involved with us is that uh

1497
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:09,040
we've been doing business with them and

1498
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:10,559
people have been making a lot of money

1499
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:13,200
doing it and we're sort of like a client

1500
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,559
state

1501
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,400
all right let's explore that a little

1502
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:18,240
bit here you do have a section on your

1503
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:19,280
site

1504
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,200
about this secret space program we've

1505
01:00:24,870 --> 01:00:22,880
talked about it here

1506
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:24,880
in the sense of setting up bases on the

1507
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:28,000
moon etc but we haven't really probed so

1508
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:30,160
much the possibility

1509
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,400
that we're in touch with e.t

1510
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:34,240
and we're working together

1511
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:35,040
so

1512
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:36,960
if we're in touch with e.t

1513
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:39,680
and it's about commerce

1514
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,119
what kind of business are we doing with

1515
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:43,119
them

1516
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,799
i would think that the biggest natural

1517
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,799
resource that we have that aliens would

1518
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,119
want would be water uh there was there

1519
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:51,440
was a theory that the uh

1520
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,160
the explosion in siberia in 1908 was

1521
01:00:59,670 --> 01:00:57,599
actually a spaceship trying to uh

1522
01:01:03,109 --> 01:00:59,680
obtain water from the largest freshwater

1523
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,119
lake in the world which is in siberia uh

1524
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,359
why would they have to go here for water

1525
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,119
there's water on what some of the moons

1526
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,839
of saturn there's water on the moon

1527
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,680
there's water on mars

1528
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,920
why come here

1529
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,240
uh it could be for gold if you go back

1530
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:18,799
to the anunnuki stories uh anunnaki

1531
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,319
stories um from from sitchin uh they

1532
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,000
came for gold gold is a precious

1533
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:25,839
commodity you can go use gold for a lot

1534
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:27,680
of other things besides money there's a

1535
01:01:31,750 --> 01:01:30,720
great shielding metal uh

1536
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,760
so

1537
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:33,839
it's possible that you know they've been

1538
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,359
mining gold here on earth for millennia

1539
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:39,359
but why come here aren't there other

1540
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:42,000
planets in the universe that have

1541
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,280
similar

1542
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:45,359
geological makeup so i have to come to

1543
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:48,559
earth why bother with the locals

1544
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,040
well maybe they need the locals maybe

1545
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,000
you know we're not as free as uh as we

1546
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:56,400
think remember obama said on the jimmy

1547
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:58,240
kimmel show you know i can't tell you

1548
01:02:02,549 --> 01:02:00,240
that because our masters would kill us

1549
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:02,559
if i release that type of information

1550
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:04,480
right that's a comedy show folks that's

1551
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:10,069
right but i you know was he fooling

1552
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,920
around or was he like laying you know

1553
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,079
some sort of you know other message on

1554
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,400
people when he said that

1555
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,079
are we reading a little too much because

1556
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:20,799
i know we have one guest who comes on

1557
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:23,520
the show occasionally grant cameron and

1558
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:26,640
he specializes in what presidents

1559
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,400
knew or know

1560
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,240
about ufos

1561
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,720
and i've heard the thing about obama him

1562
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,200
making comments and he has a great sense

1563
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:36,799
of humor

1564
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,319
and i think if they really wanted to let

1565
01:02:45,030 --> 01:02:42,480
us in on some kind of secret they

1566
01:02:47,109 --> 01:02:45,040
wouldn't drop a casual phrase on a

1567
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,119
comedy late night show

1568
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:50,720
they do something else don't you think

1569
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,640
yes i i don't think that disclosure is

1570
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:54,480
going to come um if it does i don't

1571
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:55,359
think it's going to come from the

1572
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:56,319
government it's going to come from

1573
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:57,839
something like the catholic church that

1574
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:00,400
says there are brothers um

1575
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,400
so i'm not holding my breath for this

1576
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,119
for the disclosure project

1577
01:03:08,390 --> 01:03:06,960
i was going to say remember that there's

1578
01:03:10,230 --> 01:03:08,400
that um

1579
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:10,240
spoken um

1580
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:14,799
maxim many are true words spoken in jest

1581
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,599
then again maybe obama who was a pretty

1582
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,720
bright guy

1583
01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:20,960
made those comments thinking ah those

1584
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:22,799
flying saucer believers will really

1585
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:25,119
seize this one and try to make something

1586
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,319
out of it

1587
01:03:29,670 --> 01:03:27,920
or maybe not

1588
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,680
we have robert spearing we're talking

1589
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,720
about

1590
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:33,520
orange orbs ufo reality and we're

1591
01:03:38,309 --> 01:03:36,559
getting into disclosure what do our

1592
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,319
governments know

1593
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:41,200
and are they maybe even engaged in

1594
01:03:46,309 --> 01:03:42,880
commerce with e.t

1595
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,319
e.t style commerce hmm

1596
01:03:54,490 --> 01:03:48,319
our guest co-host is goggs makai i'm

1597
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:57,430
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1598
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,520
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1609
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1624
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1625
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we have some questions from listeners

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01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,759
later from forumaboutthepowercast.com

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01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,319
but our guest is robert spearing

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01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:33,359
and goggs was talking to him about

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01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,640
his comments about what interactions our

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01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,480
government might be having with e.t and

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01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:40,239
are not about night vision goggles by

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01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:41,199
the way

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01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:42,480
i don't think

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01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:44,480
because they were invented in the 30s

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01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:48,159
by the germans goggs you want to go on

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01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,679
well yeah i was just mentioning that

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01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:54,239
the old saying that many a true word is

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01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:57,520
spoken in jest and i'm not saying obama

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01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,239
or any president would set out to reveal

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01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:02,880
anything on jimmy kimmel's show or

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01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:04,239
whatever

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01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:05,520
but

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01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,600
at the same time i think they know

1719
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,600
they're going to get asked that question

1720
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,440
when they go on that show

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01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:13,359
who's the guy that was on one of the tv

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01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,000
shows who is supposedly

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01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:18,719
uh really looking into the body language

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01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:21,440
of the presidents as they say this to

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01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:25,440
try and this this guy works ben hansen

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01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:27,520
he used to

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01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,159
work at the behavioral sciences bit i

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01:09:35,030 --> 01:09:31,920
believe in the fbi

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01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,040
so he has studied the art of trying to

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01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,000
tell whether someone is lying or not

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01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:40,319
by their body language and their choice

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01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:42,400
of words and stuff and

1733
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,000
he has made some kind of interesting uh

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01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:48,719
comments uh from his analysis of bill

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01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,000
clinton

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01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:51,679
and obama

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01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,159
and from being on that show when they're

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01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:56,560
asked to a specific questions

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01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:58,320
and one way to

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01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:00,560
to get through that show to get through

1741
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,560
that question without lying if they do

1742
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,120
know some kind of dirty secrets

1743
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:09,040
would be to make a joke

1744
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,400
and that joke

1745
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:12,239
may be partially true

1746
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,640
so it's a kind of way to to answer to

1747
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:16,400
deflect the question

1748
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,159
but not lie

1749
01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:20,640
so that anyone looking can see that well

1750
01:10:24,310 --> 01:10:22,159
this guy looks like he's telling the

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01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,320
truth because he's not doing all the

1752
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:27,440
the usual tales for when someone is

1753
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:29,920
really trying hard to lie and maybe

1754
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,760
trying to cheat a lie detector test or

1755
01:10:34,950 --> 01:10:32,719
something

1756
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:34,960
i don't have any scientific evidence but

1757
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:37,120
i personally know that there are

1758
01:10:43,110 --> 01:10:39,920
several of my friends and extended

1759
01:10:45,750 --> 01:10:43,120
family not all of them but some of them

1760
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,760
i always know when they're lying because

1761
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:47,920
they do these same little things they

1762
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,239
maybe stutter when they never do

1763
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:53,840
normally and i believe virtually anyone

1764
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:56,480
probably all of us without any kind of

1765
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,840
training and serious effort probably do

1766
01:11:03,750 --> 01:11:02,000
various things we're unaware of when

1767
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:03,760
we're lying so

1768
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:07,199
i'm not putting you know 100

1769
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,239
faith in ben hansen's analysis but i do

1770
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:12,400
i do think it's at least worth looking

1771
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,360
at

1772
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,920
we can't forget the classic definition

1773
01:11:18,870 --> 01:11:17,840
of how to know when a politician is

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01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:18,880
lying

1775
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:25,030
so just just staying on the politicians

1776
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:27,679
and ufo thing for a minute um the

1777
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,280
current president

1778
01:11:33,910 --> 01:11:31,760
has anyone asked him any ufo related

1779
01:11:35,270 --> 01:11:33,920
questions yet i'm not aware of any but

1780
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,280
it may have happened

1781
01:11:39,430 --> 01:11:36,960
i don't think so i think that the the

1782
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:39,440
last person that was asked was uh former

1783
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:41,600
president george w bush on jimmy kimmel

1784
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:44,239
maybe three four months ago uh he got

1785
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:46,480
antsy and said there's some things he

1786
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,719
just can't talk about the internet went

1787
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:50,880
crazy the next day with that statement

1788
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,840
yeah no is it usually former presidents

1789
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:56,159
that are on jimmy kimmel or was that

1790
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:58,320
obama was on when he was a current

1791
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,719
president was he yeah yes he was when he

1792
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,000
was current so

1793
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:04,560
there's a chance maybe that donald trump

1794
01:12:09,350 --> 01:12:08,000
may be on before his um terms up could

1795
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:09,360
be i don't think he's their type of

1796
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:12,159
politics for that show but it's possible

1797
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,840
i don't think that's the kind of

1798
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:16,080
question that seems to be on his radar i

1799
01:12:19,270 --> 01:12:16,960
mean

1800
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,280
they did ask hillary clinton

1801
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,840
about ufos on several occasions during

1802
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:23,679
the course of the campaign

1803
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,199
and she said of course if she was

1804
01:12:30,229 --> 01:12:27,600
elected president she'd look into it but

1805
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:30,239
we also know that her chief aide

1806
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:31,920
john podesta

1807
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,719
has a personal interest in ufos he wrote

1808
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,640
the introduction to leslie kane's book

1809
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,159
on the subject

1810
01:12:43,030 --> 01:12:40,719
right but the thing i wonder about is

1811
01:12:45,270 --> 01:12:43,040
now that that's all

1812
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,280
far away in terms of the political world

1813
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:47,280
where if you lose

1814
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:48,800
it's forgotten

1815
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,159
podesta right so strongly opinionated

1816
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:54,080
about ufos

1817
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,640
why isn't he saying anything

1818
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:58,719
does she have to be president she was

1819
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:00,400
married to a former president if she

1820
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:02,960
knows something why can't she say it now

1821
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:05,360
yeah i'm not buying it at all from

1822
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:08,400
john podesta because he's already been a

1823
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:11,840
chief of staff to a president has he not

1824
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,920
so if he was going to

1825
01:13:17,830 --> 01:13:15,600
be able to find out these things or

1826
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,840
whatever he already had his chance with

1827
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:20,880
bill clinton um and

1828
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:23,199
so i'm just not buying that

1829
01:13:28,149 --> 01:13:25,920
right had hillary been voted in that he

1830
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,159
was suddenly going to do things that he

1831
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:30,640
was unable to do before or whatever if

1832
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:33,280
he's had this real interest in ufos he's

1833
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,320
already been in the position and also he

1834
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,080
was involved with

1835
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:41,040
um obama's administration i believe

1836
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,880
but yeah he was but you're raising an

1837
01:13:46,470 --> 01:13:44,800
interesting point here let's just focus

1838
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:46,480
on this for a moment here

1839
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,760
and that is

1840
01:13:52,390 --> 01:13:50,320
he writes the introduction to a ufo book

1841
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,400
but he's already in the government now

1842
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,640
it's possible then that he did talk to

1843
01:13:58,310 --> 01:13:56,000
obama

1844
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,320
and he was told to drop the subject

1845
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,239
right or i felt that wasn't the

1846
01:14:04,310 --> 01:14:02,640
appropriate venue for it and then we

1847
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,320
have

1848
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,640
former secretary clinton

1849
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:08,880
expressing this interest

1850
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,080
but now that

1851
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,840
she can speak her mind

1852
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:13,600
she's not saying anything

1853
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,280
at all

1854
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:17,440
so you wonder here did they just say

1855
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,510
oh i think that's definitely possible

1856
01:14:26,709 --> 01:14:24,960
they were trying to get as many little

1857
01:14:28,630 --> 01:14:26,719
bits of coalitions together as they

1858
01:14:30,070 --> 01:14:28,640
could and now that it doesn't matter to

1859
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:30,080
them we're not going to hear anything

1860
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:32,320
about it anymore and i don't think it's

1861
01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,080
on donald trump's radar so i don't think

1862
01:14:38,149 --> 01:14:36,159
we're going to hear uh anything about it

1863
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,159
anytime soon

1864
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:40,800
i suppose the only um the only avenue

1865
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,679
still open uh with what we are talking

1866
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,159
about and john podesta

1867
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:49,120
will be a certain former front front man

1868
01:14:53,669 --> 01:14:50,800
of blink 182

1869
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:53,679
right because john podesta's yeah tom

1870
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:54,719
delong

1871
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:57,679
that's that it's through tom de long

1872
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:00,080
that i've i suppose i've heard the

1873
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,360
latest anything to do with john podesta

1874
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,480
um supposedly current his contacts with

1875
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:07,920
him are certainly

1876
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:10,640
been in the last year i'd say or even

1877
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:13,120
maybe since the election so

1878
01:15:17,830 --> 01:15:15,679
um now i've got my own problems with the

1879
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,840
whole tom delong thing like oh i've got

1880
01:15:22,550 --> 01:15:19,520
all this information i'm talking to

1881
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:22,560
these guys but i can't tell you

1882
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:26,560
quite yet here by my book um i'm just

1883
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,360
very dubious as to why

1884
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:30,800
uh any

1885
01:15:35,189 --> 01:15:33,600
high ranking air force general

1886
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,199
um would

1887
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:37,760
if they hadn't already done it why would

1888
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,159
they just suddenly open up to tom de

1889
01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:41,920
long and

1890
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,000
i'm just not buying his thing i don't i

1891
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,239
i don't hate the guy or anything but

1892
01:15:51,990 --> 01:15:48,320
it's just we've seen this all before and

1893
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:52,000
ufology um with you know stephen greer

1894
01:15:55,510 --> 01:15:53,760
and some other guys like yeah we know

1895
01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:55,520
this we know this we can't tell you

1896
01:16:00,790 --> 01:15:57,760
quite yet but we will soon

1897
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:00,800
and it never comes it never ever comes

1898
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:02,000
so

1899
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:04,239
what do you think about that bob

1900
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,159
before we have that answer i just want

1901
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:08,640
to raise one more thing about it too

1902
01:16:13,350 --> 01:16:11,360
don't forget his books are fiction

1903
01:16:15,910 --> 01:16:13,360
even if they allegedly have a factual

1904
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,920
basis they are fiction books

1905
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,760
i guess it's easy to say they're ripped

1906
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:19,920
from the headlines and he's saying

1907
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,920
there's a factual basis and if you read

1908
01:16:26,149 --> 01:16:24,159
my book you'll find the secret and i'll

1909
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:26,159
sell a few books and there you go

1910
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,840
because i'm not making much money as a

1911
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:30,320
rock and roll star anymore i added that

1912
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:31,280
by the way

1913
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,800
robert sparing

1914
01:16:40,900 --> 01:16:35,440
gene steinberg goggs makai

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01:16:40,910 --> 01:16:49,830
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01:21:09,660 --> 01:21:07,360
this is kurt 70 author of ufo mysteries

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2025
01:21:17,350 --> 01:21:14,960
so robert sparing

2026
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:17,360
having talked about this

2027
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,719
rock and roller

2028
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:20,480
who seems to know the secrets what's

2029
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:23,360
your perception tom delong supposedly

2030
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,960
said roughly 60 days ago that within 60

2031
01:21:31,910 --> 01:21:28,960
days he was going to make a major

2032
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:31,920
announcement that will shock the ufo

2033
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:32,960
world

2034
01:21:36,630 --> 01:21:34,560
i don't think it's going to happen but

2035
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:36,640
you see that's the latest in people

2036
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:37,600
saying

2037
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:39,280
it's going to happen i'll have a major

2038
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,560
announcement

2039
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:43,199
stephen bassett saying that obama would

2040
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,239
reveal the truth before his term ended

2041
01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:48,960
and certainly he had nothing to lose

2042
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:50,640
especially after

2043
01:21:55,590 --> 01:21:54,000
clinton lost he had nothing to lose

2044
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:55,600
so if he knew something he could have

2045
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:56,639
said it

2046
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,320
it's just it's just the old the end of

2047
01:22:04,310 --> 01:22:01,199
the world is my story you know it's just

2048
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:04,320
2012 disclosure's imminent it's just

2049
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,639
virtually any time you get a

2050
01:22:11,030 --> 01:22:08,320
supposed prediction of this

2051
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:11,040
earth-shattering news you know it's

2052
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:14,960
never ever ever came true and so

2053
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:17,600
i just cannot believe anyone buys any of

2054
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,159
it until you know show me the money show

2055
01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,639
me the money show me the money and the

2056
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,120
other thing is that whereas ufos and

2057
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:27,040
orange orbs are concerned

2058
01:22:30,709 --> 01:22:28,880
we've been seeing them for millennia

2059
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,719
it's like it's not like they just showed

2060
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:32,960
up and they want to go into business

2061
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,360
with us these things

2062
01:22:40,390 --> 01:22:38,480
have been here for a long long time so i

2063
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:40,400
don't think we're going to get any sort

2064
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:43,120
of earth-shattering news anytime soon if

2065
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:45,280
it hasn't happened over the millennia

2066
01:22:48,310 --> 01:22:47,280
doesn't that make it frustrating though

2067
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:48,320
robert

2068
01:22:52,430 --> 01:22:50,159
and you're a field investigator for

2069
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:52,440
mufon mufan's been around since

2070
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,239
1969

2071
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:56,000
and you got all this data and as you say

2072
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:57,280
you know maybe they're things you could

2073
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:59,120
put in their database that aren't there

2074
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,080
now

2075
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,400
but what have they to show for it we

2076
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:04,560
don't really know what ufos are we have

2077
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:07,679
the same suspicions we had in 1952.

2078
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:09,280
well that's one of my big problems with

2079
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:10,719
mufon is that they just collect

2080
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,800
information nobody there is really

2081
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:14,159
investigating it

2082
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,199
yes yes let me clap my hands here

2083
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,679
thank you thank you go ahead what i'm

2084
01:23:25,350 --> 01:23:22,639
trying to do is statistically analyze

2085
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,360
orange orbs i'm looking at

2086
01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:27,440
it's going to be like 600 cases by the

2087
01:23:31,990 --> 01:23:29,920
time i'm done their color how many times

2088
01:23:34,709 --> 01:23:32,000
they shoot beams of light down from the

2089
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:34,719
sky how many times they blink out how

2090
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:37,280
many times they make right angle turns

2091
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:39,679
out of you know and work out percentages

2092
01:23:44,149 --> 01:23:41,920
to see which things are valid and which

2093
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,159
are not is there more orange orb

2094
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,560
sightings when there's more sunspots

2095
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:48,960
that type of thing i'm trying to do

2096
01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,040
right now to see if i can come up with

2097
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,679
the statistical model that says

2098
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,400
here is what an orb is and what it does

2099
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:59,280
and from that try to extract why it may

2100
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,560
be here

2101
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:02,719
the nuremberg wood cut

2102
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,280
remembering it it's just as you were

2103
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:07,040
saying i found it really interesting

2104
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:08,880
you're saying how these cylinders tend

2105
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:12,560
to be at a 45 was it degree angle um but

2106
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:15,520
yes yeah with my mental image of that

2107
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,159
that would cut it's just

2108
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:20,239
you know it just seems that there just

2109
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,560
cannot be any other explanation other

2110
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:23,840
than

2111
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,560
those residents then saw

2112
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,040
similar things in the sky and if this

2113
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,679
has been kind of like unchanged going

2114
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,360
back that far

2115
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:35,920
um did are there any kind of like

2116
01:24:40,310 --> 01:24:38,239
biblical accounts that marry up pretty

2117
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,320
well with the orange sphere

2118
01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:42,239
well yeah there's two accounts from the

2119
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:45,120
reign of utmost iii pharaoh of egypt

2120
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:48,639
1500 bc so 3 500 years ago first one's a

2121
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:51,679
very famous story a gentleman by the

2122
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:53,840
name of tully who worked for the vatican

2123
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:55,920
archives came across a papyrus an

2124
01:25:02,950 --> 01:24:58,320
egyptian papyrus in 1932 that

2125
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:02,960
purportedly had a story of uh circles of

2126
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:06,080
fire arriving in the sky and

2127
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:07,920
hovering over the capital of egypt and

2128
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,520
they didn't know what to make of it they

2129
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:11,760
prostrated themselves uh and then that

2130
01:25:16,629 --> 01:25:14,400
the circles came lower and then one day

2131
01:25:17,750 --> 01:25:16,639
all fish and rocks and stuff fell out of

2132
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:17,760
the sky

2133
01:25:21,910 --> 01:25:19,520
what i think was happening there was

2134
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:21,920
they were taking on water these objects

2135
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:24,320
and spitting out what they didn't need

2136
01:25:27,510 --> 01:25:25,120
now

2137
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:27,520
the the papyrus disappeared when mr

2138
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:31,520
tully died i believe it was 1952 but it

2139
01:25:36,229 --> 01:25:34,320
was reviewed by several egyptologists at

2140
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:36,239
the time and it was translated twice so

2141
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,040
it is a very low chance that it was a

2142
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:42,480
fraud uh what makes it more compelling

2143
01:25:49,270 --> 01:25:45,840
is that in the same reign of topmost the

2144
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:49,280
third of egypt uh there was a

2145
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:52,800
a stella found the stella is a piece of

2146
01:25:58,149 --> 01:25:55,760
mortar that has been engraved upon and

2147
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,159
on it is what's called the story of the

2148
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:00,800
miracle of the star and apparently

2149
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,840
tutmos iii was involved in a civil war

2150
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:05,520
in egypt the north and the south were

2151
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:08,800
fighting and a white star came down from

2152
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:12,080
the sky and obliterated his enemy's army

2153
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:14,000
now you would say this couldn't be a

2154
01:26:16,510 --> 01:26:15,440
meteorite because it would have been

2155
01:26:19,030 --> 01:26:16,520
very

2156
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:19,040
non-discriminating that it was some sort

2157
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,000
of

2158
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:22,719
planned attack uh in order that tutmos

2159
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:26,400
would win why would this white star this

2160
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:30,000
orb come down and influence history

2161
01:26:35,910 --> 01:26:32,480
that's just the first of a long line of

2162
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:35,920
stories uh you have you have scotland uh

2163
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,880
fighting england where uh i forget his

2164
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,040
name the the leader of the the scots saw

2165
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,199
a red ball in the sky floating and took

2166
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:46,080
it as a sign to attack england and he

2167
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,400
won in 1905 in ergon wales you

2168
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,920
had a woman who was doing a church

2169
01:26:56,149 --> 01:26:54,000
revival and orange balls were following

2170
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:56,159
her all over the place earlier in wales

2171
01:27:02,070 --> 01:26:59,280
in the 1690s you had orbs coming out of

2172
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:02,080
the sea setting fire to haste decks and

2173
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:06,239
barns uh there's thousands of stories on

2174
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,120
my website i have a collection of

2175
01:27:15,750 --> 01:27:11,840
newspaper clippings from the 1800s

2176
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,760
through the 20th century of just story

2177
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,320
after story after story of orbs and

2178
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,840
their activity

2179
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:21,920
now bob i suppose we've got to touch on

2180
01:27:26,709 --> 01:27:25,199
this way what about orange orbs and the

2181
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:26,719
demonic

2182
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:27,760
you know

2183
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:28,800
i

2184
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,280
that up okay

2185
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,760
uh of all of the contacts that people

2186
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,920
seem to have made with orbs it's very

2187
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:55,840
basic move here move there the orb does

2188
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:58,639
it come closer go away it does it there

2189
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:01,120
were two people one of them is dead now

2190
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:02,719
um

2191
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:04,639
uh who claimed that they could have

2192
01:28:11,430 --> 01:28:07,920
telepathic contact with orbs and that

2193
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:11,440
they were spiritual beings um

2194
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but

2195
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whether these two guys are frauds or not

2196
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uh you know is still up in the air the

2197
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guy's name was uh prophet yahweh have

2198
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:20,639
you ever heard of him his real name was

2199
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:23,360
ramon watkins yes yes

2200
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,040
yeah and there's some debate about

2201
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:26,719
whether he was a fraud or not but he's

2202
01:28:31,990 --> 01:28:28,639
scared the living daylights out of a tv

2203
01:28:35,030 --> 01:28:32,000
station uh channel 13 kt nlv

2204
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,040
uh mike delastrito news reporter who

2205
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:37,920
filmed them actually summon an orb you

2206
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,360
know and using religious chants so

2207
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,280
was there some religious component to

2208
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,760
this or was it just some sort of fraud

2209
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:48,080
where he had somebody far away shooting

2210
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:49,600
a light up in the sky

2211
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,880
i don't know but as far as hard factual

2212
01:28:58,790 --> 01:28:55,440
data there is little to none that these

2213
01:29:00,790 --> 01:28:58,800
things are spiritual or demonic entities

2214
01:29:03,590 --> 01:29:00,800
i believe there are some people right

2215
01:29:05,110 --> 01:29:03,600
now who claim to be able to

2216
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call in

2217
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,199
ufos quite often

2218
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:09,600
not necessarily orange in color orbs but

2219
01:29:14,310 --> 01:29:12,000
certainly orbs and i've seen some

2220
01:29:16,550 --> 01:29:14,320
you know intriguing videos maybe over in

2221
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:16,560
los angeles or something

2222
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with some people who

2223
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managed to seem to get you know get a

2224
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:22,800
bit of a crowd going and you know

2225
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:25,280
wouldn't you know after a few minutes

2226
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:27,199
a strange couple of objects start

2227
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appearing in the sky

2228
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,280
and these objects from what i've seen

2229
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:33,360
well it doesn't look like doctored

2230
01:29:39,189 --> 01:29:36,320
videos and the objects certainly don't

2231
01:29:40,629 --> 01:29:39,199
look like it's somebody flying a drone

2232
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,639
somewhere so i you know i don't know if

2233
01:29:45,110 --> 01:29:42,719
there's any truth to it but there are

2234
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:45,120
definitely people right now who are you

2235
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:47,520
know alive right now who claim to be

2236
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:48,480
able to

2237
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you know telepathically call in

2238
01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:54,080
um some kind of orbs i don't know if

2239
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:56,400
they're trying to claim they're angelic

2240
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:57,840
or or whatever

2241
01:30:02,790 --> 01:30:01,040
um but i suppose the kind of wishy-washy

2242
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:02,800
spiritual

2243
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uh attitude um

2244
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kind of seems to usually go

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with

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these type of people and the ones who

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believe that you can telepathically

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communicate with ufos um and that may

2249
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well be the case i certainly do not

2250
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,679
discount any telepathic communication

2251
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:21,679
right um

2252
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i don't think i've got much faith in um

2253
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:27,600
stephen greer's vectoring in of things

2254
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i'm going to vector into something else

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here and after we finish that vector

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we'll get back with bob sparing and gene

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[Music]

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[Music]

2367
01:35:07,590 --> 01:35:05,600
this is jerome clark author of the ufo

2368
01:35:10,490 --> 01:35:07,600
encyclopedia in other books you're

2369
01:35:21,430 --> 01:35:10,500
listening to the peercast

2370
01:35:25,990 --> 01:35:23,669
as we vector back into the power cast

2371
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:26,000
with robert sparing and the orange orbs

2372
01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:28,560
i'd like to explore the orbs a bit more

2373
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:31,120
but we were sort of getting into secret

2374
01:35:34,229 --> 01:35:33,360
space programs and we kind of just went

2375
01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,239
back

2376
01:35:39,270 --> 01:35:36,239
and before we get into the possibility

2377
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:39,280
of commanding ufos or at least

2378
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:40,639
calling them

2379
01:35:44,149 --> 01:35:42,320
i just want to ask you briefly about the

2380
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,159
secret space program and then we'll come

2381
01:35:47,990 --> 01:35:45,920
back to this and that is

2382
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,000
what evidence is there

2383
01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:50,159
that we have a space program that we

2384
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,080
know nothing about other than launching

2385
01:35:56,870 --> 01:35:54,239
spy satellites

2386
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:56,880
well michael schrad is the expert on

2387
01:36:01,110 --> 01:35:59,600
that and he believes that that um

2388
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:01,120
there's definitely

2389
01:36:06,550 --> 01:36:04,320
black triangles that are u.s made and

2390
01:36:09,270 --> 01:36:06,560
that there are black triangles that are

2391
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:09,280
not us made who makes these triangles i

2392
01:36:14,229 --> 01:36:12,800
don't know but um

2393
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:14,239
the

2394
01:36:24,790 --> 01:36:21,360
which has a much larger space program

2395
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,800
than nasa is doing something with black

2396
01:36:29,110 --> 01:36:26,880
budget programs that nobody knows

2397
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:29,120
anything about you can google the us

2398
01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:31,760
budget and find these programs and it

2399
01:36:36,149 --> 01:36:33,920
gives no description of what they are

2400
01:36:38,070 --> 01:36:36,159
we're spending a lot of money so by

2401
01:36:40,229 --> 01:36:38,080
inference michael schatt is trying to

2402
01:36:42,790 --> 01:36:40,239
say that uh

2403
01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:42,800
we may be doing a lot more in space than

2404
01:36:46,470 --> 01:36:45,119
what we let on we're doing that's the

2405
01:36:48,229 --> 01:36:46,480
argument here

2406
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,239
it is the level

2407
01:36:52,709 --> 01:36:51,040
of exploration as i said spy satellites

2408
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:52,719
you understand

2409
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:55,119
those things may not be counted for in

2410
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:56,320
the budget

2411
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:58,960
but still anything else sounds like just

2412
01:37:03,750 --> 01:37:02,000
a guessing game where does he find facts

2413
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:03,760
to base this on

2414
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,400
there really isn't other than you know

2415
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,800
ledger entries in in budgets you know

2416
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:10,320
for the united states government to show

2417
01:37:14,310 --> 01:37:11,920
something's going on that we have no

2418
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,320
idea about so why assume it's this and

2419
01:37:19,510 --> 01:37:17,040
not a secret weapons program or some

2420
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:19,520
kind of secret spy program

2421
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:21,679
right it's not and i mean if you look at

2422
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:24,239
all of these supposed structures on mars

2423
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,159
and structures on the moon none of these

2424
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:28,880
pictures really show you anything

2425
01:37:35,430 --> 01:37:31,360
definitive so they could just be you

2426
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:35,440
know pixelation problems and not actual

2427
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,239
uh structures at all a lot of this is

2428
01:37:42,390 --> 01:37:40,800
just guesswork that's our point

2429
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:42,400
that's our point a lot of this is

2430
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,639
guesswork and we really don't have a lot

2431
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,960
of facts to present here

2432
01:37:51,109 --> 01:37:48,719
and it could be anything

2433
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,119
and let's leave it that's right

2434
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:52,960
but let's go back to the telepathic

2435
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:55,440
command here

2436
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,639
now

2437
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:59,040
so you think of something and then it

2438
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:00,159
happens

2439
01:38:05,189 --> 01:38:02,800
i suppose it could be coincidence unless

2440
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:05,199
you can do it repeatedly

2441
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:08,560
over a number of of attempts

2442
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,639
and you get a positive result

2443
01:38:15,750 --> 01:38:12,400
so what do we have here

2444
01:38:18,229 --> 01:38:15,760
out of 498 cases that we've done so far

2445
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,239
two percent of the cases had telepathic

2446
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,280
contact between people so 98 of orb

2447
01:38:26,470 --> 01:38:23,440
cases have nothing and of the two

2448
01:38:28,310 --> 01:38:26,480
percent that we verified people had some

2449
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,320
sort claimed to have some sort of

2450
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:30,719
telepathic content it was nothing

2451
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:34,159
substantial it was move here move away

2452
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:36,719
blink for me very simple commands

2453
01:38:42,229 --> 01:38:39,119
whether the orb was coming down to the

2454
01:38:43,430 --> 01:38:42,239
level of intelligence of the human uh or

2455
01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:43,440
whether

2456
01:38:48,390 --> 01:38:45,440
it was the same level of intelligence as

2457
01:38:50,310 --> 01:38:48,400
a human that's about as deep as the uh

2458
01:38:53,350 --> 01:38:50,320
conversations got between humans and

2459
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:53,360
orbs and the other question is here

2460
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:55,280
when they made these commands how many

2461
01:38:59,270 --> 01:38:57,440
times did they make commands that were

2462
01:39:01,350 --> 01:38:59,280
not obeyed

2463
01:39:04,229 --> 01:39:01,360
are they just remembering the positive

2464
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:04,239
results and not the 2000 attempts where

2465
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:05,920
they tried to command them to do

2466
01:39:10,629 --> 01:39:08,639
something and they did nothing

2467
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,639
right as far as i'm concerned and

2468
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:12,560
project orange is concerned two percent

2469
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:15,360
is an inconsequential amount of a

2470
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:18,159
behavior for these orbs so we don't

2471
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:20,000
really think telepathic communication

2472
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,280
goes on

2473
01:39:27,109 --> 01:39:24,320
what is the share between daylight and

2474
01:39:29,270 --> 01:39:27,119
nighttime sightings of orange orbs well

2475
01:39:30,629 --> 01:39:29,280
i haven't studied daytime orbs but

2476
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:30,639
there's a lot of them the only thing

2477
01:39:36,550 --> 01:39:33,920
that i did with daytime orbs was um

2478
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,560
uh i made a map of new jersey and i

2479
01:39:42,470 --> 01:39:39,600
pegged all of the orange orb sightings

2480
01:39:45,430 --> 01:39:42,480
to new jersey over the past 10 years and

2481
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:45,440
then i took all of the daytime

2482
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:47,840
sightings of white lights in the sky and

2483
01:39:53,430 --> 01:39:50,960
silver spheres or metallic spheres and i

2484
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:53,440
pegged them to a map and overlapped them

2485
01:39:58,470 --> 01:39:55,119
to see what would happen

2486
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:58,480
and the sighting areas in new jersey are

2487
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:01,920
identical for daytime and nighttime orbs

2488
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,000
whether that translates across the

2489
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,320
country or across the world i don't know

2490
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:08,639
nobody's done a big enough study but in

2491
01:40:13,510 --> 01:40:11,440
the state of new jersey uh it seems that

2492
01:40:15,430 --> 01:40:13,520
the phenomena are both the same

2493
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:15,440
phenomenon

2494
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,560
you know bob how if in let's talk about

2495
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:20,880
nighttime sightings for a minute

2496
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:23,600
if you're to have three orange orbs up

2497
01:40:27,750 --> 01:40:24,960
in the sky

2498
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,760
you know at any time these three points

2499
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,040
of light

2500
01:40:34,070 --> 01:40:31,040
could be interpreted

2501
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:34,080
as a triangle with a point at each

2502
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:36,639
corner just you know going through

2503
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,920
various uh

2504
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:39,760
motions and stuff so you're seeing this

2505
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:42,320
triangle at various kind of uh

2506
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:43,280
um

2507
01:40:45,990 --> 01:40:44,960
aspects i suppose

2508
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:46,000
and

2509
01:40:52,629 --> 01:40:48,719
i think a lot of people bemoan the fact

2510
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,639
that so many ufo videos these days only

2511
01:40:57,030 --> 01:40:54,080
consist of

2512
01:41:01,669 --> 01:40:57,040
points of light in the sky right um but

2513
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,679
i am interested to to wonder if um

2514
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:04,800
you know if sometimes the uh the black

2515
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:07,679
the nighttime black triangle is a bit of

2516
01:41:13,189 --> 01:41:10,719
a difficult thing to suss out but

2517
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:13,199
it's interesting to wonder whether

2518
01:41:17,270 --> 01:41:14,880
um there are

2519
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,280
triangular objects in the sky at night

2520
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:20,239
and i'm sure there are but also i wonder

2521
01:41:25,350 --> 01:41:22,400
if ever these orange orbs almost

2522
01:41:27,510 --> 01:41:25,360
deliberately fly in formation to appear

2523
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,520
to be triangles

2524
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,360
well the problem with triangles a lot of

2525
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:31,520
people say these things were information

2526
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:33,199
we tend to take more serious when

2527
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,040
they're in an echelon formation or some

2528
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,360
sort of line following each other rather

2529
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,440
than a triangle because if you have

2530
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:41,520
three objects in the sky near each other

2531
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:43,760
they're going to form a triangle so it

2532
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,480
may just be coincidental that they're

2533
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:48,960
triangles um

2534
01:41:51,990 --> 01:41:49,760
so

2535
01:41:54,950 --> 01:41:52,000
we don't really take too seriously

2536
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:54,960
triangle formations

2537
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:57,360
yeah so you so you're you're saying that

2538
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:58,320
um

2539
01:42:03,350 --> 01:42:01,199
for instance if you have a

2540
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:03,360
a formation that looks like some of

2541
01:42:07,830 --> 01:42:04,960
these formations that were seen in the

2542
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:07,840
hudson valley flap in the early 80s

2543
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,600
right where you you may have like a

2544
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,480
boomerang shape with four lights on each

2545
01:42:17,830 --> 01:42:15,040
wing as as you call it so that that

2546
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:17,840
becomes far less likely just to be an

2547
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,840
accident of three lights looking like a

2548
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:20,960
triangle

2549
01:42:25,510 --> 01:42:22,960
right well when you get when you get on

2550
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,520
people who say i could see the stars

2551
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:28,480
blotted out by this black shadow that

2552
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:30,400
was in the shape of a triangle we tend

2553
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:32,960
to look at that as a solid craft not

2554
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:35,440
three lights in triangular formation uh

2555
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,199
and we get a lot of those uh where

2556
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:40,239
people actually see that the object is

2557
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:42,800
darker than the background of the sky so

2558
01:42:47,270 --> 01:42:44,560
we know that there's an object there and

2559
01:42:49,590 --> 01:42:47,280
that it's just not three lights

2560
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:49,600
now we haven't covered flares yet

2561
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:52,400
because obviously a lot of them flares

2562
01:42:58,070 --> 01:42:55,600
uh could look similar to orange

2563
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:58,080
and i'm certainly not saying that flares

2564
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:01,119
are responsible um but

2565
01:43:03,590 --> 01:43:02,320
what

2566
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:03,600
off the top of your head do you know

2567
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,520
what the the

2568
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:07,840
standard colour for

2569
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:10,480
military and rescue flares is

2570
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:12,000
well there i'm thinking of phoenix

2571
01:43:14,310 --> 01:43:13,280
lights here

2572
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:14,320
that will

2573
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,000
fly like when you go into hoaxes like um

2574
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,480
road flares attached to helium balloons

2575
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:23,199
the problem is less than one percent of

2576
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:27,840
orb sightings uh use the color pink okay

2577
01:43:32,310 --> 01:43:29,520
so we think that there's a very low

2578
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,320
incidence of flares being used flares

2579
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,560
will go straight up um because they're

2580
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:36,239
attached to a balloon they will not

2581
01:43:41,030 --> 01:43:38,239
hover which is what orbs do sometimes

2582
01:43:43,189 --> 01:43:41,040
for long periods of time uh the flares

2583
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:43,199
reflect off the bottom of the balloon so

2584
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,040
that it looks like there's a halo around

2585
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,280
the top of the flare that these are

2586
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,119
different ways that you can tell

2587
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:51,920
that it's not a real orb that it's a

2588
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:53,840
flare attached to a balloon

2589
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:56,239
the other thing is is that flares only

2590
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,400
last two minutes even the military

2591
01:44:02,470 --> 01:44:00,639
flares that light up battlefields i've

2592
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,480
had discussions with people from flare

2593
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:04,480
companies about how long they they last

2594
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:07,679
the parachute kind um and two minutes is

2595
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:10,719
the max for like maritime flares and for

2596
01:44:16,149 --> 01:44:13,280
battlefield flares so these objects that

2597
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:16,159
we're seeing are usually not pink and

2598
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,520
they are last a lot longer than how long

2599
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:21,040
a flare would last it's the same thing

2600
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,119
with chinese lanterns we did a lot of

2601
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:25,440
work with chinese lanterns especially

2602
01:44:30,550 --> 01:44:28,000
the fuel cells chinese lanterns have two

2603
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:30,560
type of fuel cells uh one is one is

2604
01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:32,239
cardboard and one is fiberglass they're

2605
01:44:37,430 --> 01:44:34,159
both coated with palmitic acid which is

2606
01:44:40,070 --> 01:44:37,440
a waxy substance which burns rapidly

2607
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:40,080
we found that most chinese lanterns with

2608
01:44:43,910 --> 01:44:41,040
paper

2609
01:44:46,550 --> 01:44:43,920
uh fuel cells only stay aloft three

2610
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,560
minutes whereas ones with the fiberglass

2611
01:44:49,990 --> 01:44:48,960
square fuel cells stay aloft for six

2612
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:50,000
minutes

2613
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:51,440
a lot of our

2614
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:53,920
our sightings are far longer than six

2615
01:44:59,510 --> 01:44:57,040
minutes so you can rule out uh chinese

2616
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,520
lanterns in many many cases uh even

2617
01:45:05,430 --> 01:45:02,000
though they're much more prevalent than

2618
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:05,440
uh helium balloon hoaxes uh you can rule

2619
01:45:08,310 --> 01:45:06,480
out

2620
01:45:10,149 --> 01:45:08,320
chinese lanterns in a lot of the cases

2621
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:10,159
especially given that they're flying

2622
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:12,560
against the wind that they're not going

2623
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:13,920
vertical

2624
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:16,239
but hovering in place these are signs

2625
01:45:19,350 --> 01:45:18,080
that we're not looking at lanterns or

2626
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,360
flares

2627
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,360
we'll have more discussions

2628
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,440
with the possibilities of the orange

2629
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:25,840
orbs and of the phenomena with robert

2630
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:28,400
sparing and gene steinberg and gogs

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all right let's have a look here now

2704
01:49:09,189 --> 01:49:06,960
some of the questions i believe have

2705
01:49:10,149 --> 01:49:09,199
kind of been covered already but here's

2706
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:10,159
one

2707
01:49:14,550 --> 01:49:11,760
uh and this question comes from

2708
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:14,560
skymon876

2709
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,320
and the question is aren't red stroke

2710
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,480
orange spheres or balls of light

2711
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:22,880
something spotted in the skies dating

2712
01:49:28,390 --> 01:49:25,760
back into past generations

2713
01:49:30,310 --> 01:49:28,400
before drones or chinese lanterns were

2714
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,320
popular so we've already covered that

2715
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:32,400
but he says here an example of this

2716
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:34,800
might be the fatima sighting now i'm

2717
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,280
aware of what the fatima sighting is

2718
01:49:41,750 --> 01:49:39,760
but i wasn't sure of specifics do you

2719
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:41,760
know of any kind of orange orb type

2720
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,679
phenomena in the fatima sighting which i

2721
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,080
believe is for portugal right i just

2722
01:49:50,229 --> 01:49:48,000
read about the fatima citing something

2723
01:49:53,270 --> 01:49:50,239
uh in a book basically they think it was

2724
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:53,280
a some sort of disc that people mistook

2725
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,440
for the sun that it wasn't really an orb

2726
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:57,440
of any sort but it was an actual

2727
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:01,119
reflecting silver nuts and bolts craft

2728
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,560
of some sort

2729
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:05,119
making people believe that a miracle was

2730
01:50:09,270 --> 01:50:06,320
occurring

2731
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:09,280
i don't think that orbs per se from what

2732
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,400
we've been doing

2733
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:12,880
uh have had much religious significance

2734
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:15,920
in sightings uh but that they have

2735
01:50:19,990 --> 01:50:18,480
caused wars there seems to be a violent

2736
01:50:21,750 --> 01:50:20,000
tendency rather than a religious

2737
01:50:23,590 --> 01:50:21,760
tendency with orbs

2738
01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:23,600
would you explain further i'd like to

2739
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,639
hear that

2740
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:27,040
for example violence has been associated

2741
01:50:32,229 --> 01:50:30,239
with with orbs for a long long time when

2742
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:32,239
the uh miracle of the star occurred with

2743
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:34,719
tutmos iii the pharaoh of egypt wiped

2744
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:36,719
out a whole army an orb

2745
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,159
in the 1600's barns orbs came out of the

2746
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:42,719
out of the ocean and burned down barns

2747
01:50:49,030 --> 01:50:46,320
and and haystacks in wales in 1959

2748
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:49,040
there's the famous dylatov pass incident

2749
01:50:55,109 --> 01:50:52,480
where a bunch of skiers were found in a

2750
01:50:55,990 --> 01:50:55,119
horrendous state in a russian mountain

2751
01:50:57,270 --> 01:50:56,000
pass

2752
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:57,280
some with their tongues cut out some

2753
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,840
with their skulls crushed some some were

2754
01:51:02,950 --> 01:51:01,280
naked or in their underwear and they

2755
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:02,960
don't know what happened to these people

2756
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:05,520
except that the villagers nearby this

2757
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,080
mountain pass said that they saw many

2758
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,480
orange orbs the night that this uh

2759
01:51:14,709 --> 01:51:12,719
tragedy befell these campers and of

2760
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:14,719
course as i mentioned earlier you have

2761
01:51:20,950 --> 01:51:17,440
uh the ethiopia sighting which was

2762
01:51:22,950 --> 01:51:20,960
investigated by valley and uh and heinek

2763
01:51:24,790 --> 01:51:22,960
about the orb that came through to town

2764
01:51:27,669 --> 01:51:24,800
and backtracked and destroyed several

2765
01:51:29,590 --> 01:51:27,679
buildings killed the little girl uh and

2766
01:51:32,310 --> 01:51:29,600
ripped up the road

2767
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,320
yeah i i find the diatolov past incident

2768
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:34,320
is an amazing one and there are some

2769
01:51:38,709 --> 01:51:36,000
other details about

2770
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:38,719
for instance it almost looks like they

2771
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,599
whatever frightened these people either

2772
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:43,440
caused some of them to take their

2773
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:46,239
clothes off or not put on their clothes

2774
01:51:51,189 --> 01:51:48,400
to go out into some horrendous

2775
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:51,199
temperatures and they were found

2776
01:51:57,030 --> 01:51:54,080
uh you know whatever distance away in

2777
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:57,040
various states of undress uh you know as

2778
01:52:00,310 --> 01:51:58,719
if they'd had to

2779
01:52:03,510 --> 01:52:00,320
run away i believe there was a hole in

2780
01:52:05,350 --> 01:52:03,520
the tent as well or pieces

2781
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,360
there were just lots of strange little

2782
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:07,679
aspects to it no one

2783
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:10,400
explanation seems to fit everything for

2784
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,880
it uh i'd encourage anyone who just

2785
01:52:16,709 --> 01:52:14,400
likes weird mysteries if they haven't

2786
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,719
read up on the diac love pass instance

2787
01:52:20,950 --> 01:52:18,719
to definitely look up a movie was made

2788
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,960
of it a couple of years ago as well

2789
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:22,719
okay we've got another question here

2790
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:25,920
from ronaway who is actually

2791
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,360
somebody that's going to go to the

2792
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:29,199
conference in scotland later this year

2793
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:30,639
and meeting up with me which i'm looking

2794
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:31,840
forward to

2795
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:34,960
and his question basically says that as

2796
01:52:40,470 --> 01:52:37,040
a teen a friend and

2797
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:40,480
himself ron were chased across fields by

2798
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,239
two white lights

2799
01:52:48,229 --> 01:52:45,040
they turned and ran towards the lights

2800
01:52:50,550 --> 01:52:48,239
which then accelerated away much quicker

2801
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:50,560
than they had been chasing them

2802
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:52,639
have you had any similar reports so

2803
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:54,639
basically he's talking about orbs that

2804
01:52:59,430 --> 01:52:56,960
seem to have followed stroke chased

2805
01:53:02,070 --> 01:52:59,440
somebody they've turned round to like

2806
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:02,080
meet them head-on and then they've shot

2807
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:05,280
off in another direction even faster all

2808
01:53:10,550 --> 01:53:08,719
leading towards the possibly intelligent

2809
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:10,560
control kind of theory

2810
01:53:14,470 --> 01:53:12,800
yes as a matter of fact what really

2811
01:53:16,310 --> 01:53:14,480
started getting me involved with orbs

2812
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:16,320
when i was in mufon was i read terry

2813
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:18,560
ray's book uh the complete story of the

2814
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:21,520
worldwide invasion of orange orbs which

2815
01:53:25,750 --> 01:53:23,199
really solidified for me that something

2816
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:25,760
was going on basically uh he did the

2817
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:27,840
original investigation for orbs and his

2818
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,679
book has an investigation at the

2819
01:53:33,830 --> 01:53:31,920
beginning and at the end he concludes it

2820
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:33,840
but in the middle of the book he has

2821
01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:35,440
something like a hundred and something

2822
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,080
stories and a lot of these stories are

2823
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:40,639
absolutely spine chilling of orbs

2824
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:44,639
chasing people uh in forests

2825
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,199
as if as if to uh scare them

2826
01:53:51,350 --> 01:53:49,360
intentionally

2827
01:53:54,070 --> 01:53:51,360
there are also

2828
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:54,080
several stories where entities may have

2829
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,800
been

2830
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:56,800
included with the orbs

2831
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:57,520
so

2832
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:59,920
there's plenty of stories in terry ray's

2833
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:00,880
book

2834
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:04,000
that suggests that orbs chase people on

2835
01:54:08,950 --> 01:54:05,760
my website some of the clippings from

2836
01:54:10,470 --> 01:54:08,960
the 1800s describe people interacting

2837
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:10,480
with orbs where they would try to get

2838
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,400
close to the orb and it would back away

2839
01:54:16,070 --> 01:54:14,239
they would try to corner the orb and the

2840
01:54:18,709 --> 01:54:16,080
orb would outsmart them and move out of

2841
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:18,719
the way and there were stories of orbs

2842
01:54:24,550 --> 01:54:21,199
actually chasing people out of the woods

2843
01:54:27,109 --> 01:54:24,560
uh in 1905 in wales there was actually a

2844
01:54:29,669 --> 01:54:27,119
woman who was running a religious

2845
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:29,679
revival and the orbs would actually

2846
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:31,679
follow her home when her carriage in the

2847
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:34,159
woods would make a right turn the orbs

2848
01:54:38,390 --> 01:54:35,760
would make a right turn following her

2849
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:38,400
cage people took this as a significant

2850
01:54:43,910 --> 01:54:41,119
religious experience um which i doubt it

2851
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:43,920
was uh it just it was something about

2852
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:46,560
whales and history which orbs are

2853
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:48,639
attracted to but yes there's plenty of

2854
01:54:54,550 --> 01:54:51,280
stories of orbs chasing people

2855
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,560
now of course um if anyone who's read or

2856
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:56,880
hunt for skinwalker uh the skinwalker

2857
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:59,119
ranch story or just seen on the videos

2858
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:01,679
of george knapp and cetera there are

2859
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,960
numerous incidents there and where

2860
01:55:09,030 --> 01:55:06,960
there are different colored orbs but

2861
01:55:12,149 --> 01:55:09,040
certainly blue orbs seem to be

2862
01:55:15,830 --> 01:55:12,159
associated with almost a power they have

2863
01:55:18,310 --> 01:55:15,840
to instill fear automatically and

2864
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:18,320
powerfully without any other kind of

2865
01:55:23,189 --> 01:55:20,400
reason for it as if they can

2866
01:55:25,350 --> 01:55:23,199
switch on fear and humans you know who

2867
01:55:28,709 --> 01:55:25,360
knows the truth of this matter or not

2868
01:55:31,750 --> 01:55:28,719
but but yes um i can spot there's a

2869
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:31,760
there's a supposed haunted forest in

2870
01:55:35,430 --> 01:55:32,960
romania

2871
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:35,440
that is uh long been reported with

2872
01:55:41,430 --> 01:55:38,800
strange phenomena and orange orbs are

2873
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:41,440
reported in the forest there

2874
01:55:46,870 --> 01:55:44,560
they've been captured on film um emotion

2875
01:55:50,470 --> 01:55:46,880
and still um

2876
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:50,480
but this is just a personal opinion but

2877
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:52,800
some of these types of uh near to the

2878
01:55:58,470 --> 01:55:55,679
ground orbs i kind of get the impression

2879
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,480
that they're well the folklore seems to

2880
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:00,400
associate them with

2881
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:03,119
ghosts or the spirits of dead people or

2882
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:05,760
evil spirits or something

2883
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:08,320
whereas you also get the ones higher up

2884
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:09,920
in the sky we've been talking about

2885
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,400
which seems more of a ufo thing now i

2886
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:14,560
don't know if there's like a a venn

2887
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,840
diagram crossover or these are two

2888
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:19,920
distinct

2889
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,280
totally different phenomena or it is all

2890
01:56:26,830 --> 01:56:25,599
the same thing with one kind of uh

2891
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:26,840
origin

2892
01:56:32,390 --> 01:56:30,159
um but uh let's take another question

2893
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:32,400
here i'm going right to the end of the

2894
01:56:36,070 --> 01:56:34,480
questions that have been posted here we

2895
01:56:36,750 --> 01:56:36,080
have one here from

2896
01:56:40,149 --> 01:56:36,760
uh

2897
01:56:40,830 --> 01:56:40,159
spectre73 he's been posting since august

2898
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:40,840
of

2899
01:56:44,070 --> 01:56:42,400
2015

2900
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,080
um and

2901
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:47,360
his question is bob what is the cultural

2902
01:56:52,390 --> 01:56:50,639
interpretation of ufos and orb sightings

2903
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,400
in india

2904
01:56:57,910 --> 01:56:54,239
now i'm not sure why you asked india but

2905
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:57,920
i presume you do um i i'm not too

2906
01:57:01,910 --> 01:56:59,840
familiar with india but in in places

2907
01:57:05,189 --> 01:57:01,920
like indonesia they believe that they're

2908
01:57:06,390 --> 01:57:05,199
the ghosts of dead people um and that

2909
01:57:09,189 --> 01:57:06,400
uh

2910
01:57:10,550 --> 01:57:09,199
they've come back to haunt them um they

2911
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:10,560
call them ghost lights they call them

2912
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:12,639
demon lights they call them evil lights

2913
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:13,760
um

2914
01:57:20,229 --> 01:57:16,719
we don't get that many orb cases in

2915
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,239
india um but i would believe that um

2916
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:22,800
some cultures there uh

2917
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:26,000
may consider them uh uh

2918
01:57:30,310 --> 01:57:28,239
uh entities of the dead

2919
01:57:32,229 --> 01:57:30,320
well we've certainly talked about

2920
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that subject entities of the dead on

2921
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other episodes got more to come with bob

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a pain reliever and fever reducer found

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in hundreds of over-the-counter and

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prescription medicines but taking too

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02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:12,950
so chris o'brien went off for a doctor

3034
02:02:17,189 --> 02:02:15,599
visit this morning and we do hope he

3035
02:02:19,669 --> 02:02:17,199
gets more of a handle

3036
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:19,679
on what's causing these ongoing lung

3037
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,360
problems and we hope things will be

3038
02:02:25,830 --> 02:02:23,520
better we ask goggs makai

3039
02:02:29,589 --> 02:02:25,840
from his secret caverns

3040
02:02:31,270 --> 02:02:29,599
beneath the dero capes in scotland

3041
02:02:32,790 --> 02:02:31,280
to join us

3042
02:02:34,709 --> 02:02:32,800
right cogs

3043
02:02:37,910 --> 02:02:34,719
yeah there's a bit of an echo in here

3044
02:02:40,709 --> 02:02:37,920
down in the caverns caverns caverns

3045
02:02:42,790 --> 02:02:40,719
so are you the dero or are you the hero

3046
02:02:44,550 --> 02:02:42,800
no i'm the crazy guy that related the

3047
02:02:46,629 --> 02:02:44,560
story to palmer

3048
02:02:47,589 --> 02:02:46,639
you are the reincarnation of richard

3049
02:02:49,669 --> 02:02:47,599
shaver

3050
02:02:51,990 --> 02:02:49,679
yeah that's the guy his name slip with

3051
02:02:54,070 --> 02:02:52,000
me i i sort of i'm i'm getting too old

3052
02:02:56,149 --> 02:02:54,080
because names i'm just losing them all

3053
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:56,159
the time but yeah richard shaver

3054
02:03:01,350 --> 02:02:58,639
and um ray palmer yeah that that's the

3055
02:03:03,430 --> 02:03:01,360
guy who would uh publish the stories

3056
02:03:05,830 --> 02:03:03,440
i've never actually read any of these

3057
02:03:07,830 --> 02:03:05,840
stories of the derozan terrors

3058
02:03:10,310 --> 02:03:07,840
i must do it someday they haven't

3059
02:03:12,629 --> 02:03:10,320
knocked on the walls of my uh cavern yet

3060
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:12,639
so but if i keep an eye out next time

3061
02:03:17,750 --> 02:03:15,040
i'm on the magnetic train going over to

3062
02:03:19,830 --> 02:03:17,760
north carolina because lots of crazy

3063
02:03:22,070 --> 02:03:19,840
things are happening in north carolina

3064
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:22,080
and by the way ray palmer is not the

3065
02:03:26,470 --> 02:03:23,840
character

3066
02:03:28,709 --> 02:03:26,480
on the tv show legends of tomorrow

3067
02:03:29,669 --> 02:03:28,719
played by former superman actor brandon

3068
02:03:31,430 --> 02:03:29,679
ralph

3069
02:03:33,189 --> 02:03:31,440
although actually he is because he was

3070
02:03:35,430 --> 02:03:33,199
named after the ray palmer you and i

3071
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:35,440
know isn't that weird a comic book

3072
02:03:39,270 --> 02:03:37,119
character named after ray palmer it is

3073
02:03:41,430 --> 02:03:39,280
interesting it's a true story anyway

3074
02:03:43,589 --> 02:03:41,440
robert sparing does not care about comic

3075
02:03:44,870 --> 02:03:43,599
book characters or do you oh no not

3076
02:03:46,790 --> 02:03:44,880
really

3077
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:46,800
just my ufo comic book collection from

3078
02:03:50,310 --> 02:03:48,159
when i was a kid

3079
02:03:53,030 --> 02:03:50,320
ufo comic book collection when you were

3080
02:03:55,430 --> 02:03:53,040
a kid what kind of comics tell us more

3081
02:03:57,109 --> 02:03:55,440
gold key comics had a series called uh

3082
02:03:58,950 --> 02:03:57,119
flying saucer

3083
02:04:01,669 --> 02:03:58,960
and they actually

3084
02:04:04,629 --> 02:04:01,679
uh and you can still get this on ebay uh

3085
02:04:06,709 --> 02:04:04,639
combined all of the comic books into one

3086
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:06,719
huge comic book that you could buy and

3087
02:04:12,149 --> 02:04:08,560
it's pretty much the classic stories of

3088
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:12,159
the 1950s and the 60s the 1948 green

3089
02:04:18,470 --> 02:04:15,599
fireballs over military installations um

3090
02:04:21,189 --> 02:04:18,480
the kin cross incident a lot of these

3091
02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:21,199
show up at the uh blackout of the

3092
02:04:25,189 --> 02:04:23,360
northeast in 1965.

3093
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:25,199
they're just the classic stories of all

3094
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:28,800
the old uh 1950s and 1960s uh ufo

3095
02:04:33,669 --> 02:04:31,520
stories now that you mention it

3096
02:04:35,510 --> 02:04:33,679
i definitely remember that

3097
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:35,520
very dimly because you know as you get

3098
02:04:41,189 --> 02:04:38,880
older the memory dims and the orbs cause

3099
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:41,199
things to fade away

3100
02:04:45,669 --> 02:04:43,040
guys we have any more questions

3101
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:45,679
uh gina i think we've covered everything

3102
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:47,920
already in the show that's um in the

3103
02:04:53,109 --> 02:04:49,760
questions that i haven't asked i was

3104
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:53,119
gonna quickly um ask bob the comics that

3105
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:55,520
you have these ufo comics would would

3106
02:05:00,870 --> 02:04:58,880
these editions be considered rare

3107
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:00,880
no there's you can get plenty of them on

3108
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:03,520
ebay uh they they roughly go for twelve

3109
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:04,960
dollars a piece

3110
02:05:09,109 --> 02:05:06,400
yeah because

3111
02:05:11,830 --> 02:05:09,119
what i was going for was um

3112
02:05:13,830 --> 02:05:11,840
you know for anyone who does own any

3113
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:13,840
kind of like a you know printed

3114
02:05:19,030 --> 02:05:17,040
literature to do with ufos from back in

3115
02:05:22,070 --> 02:05:19,040
the day and stuff any rare stuff i think

3116
02:05:24,470 --> 02:05:22,080
it's incumbent on people maybe to get

3117
02:05:26,709 --> 02:05:24,480
this stuff scanned and put online for

3118
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:26,719
posterity because they're you know there

3119
02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:30,480
must be stuff out there um that's

3120
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:31,760
you know it's not going to be around

3121
02:05:36,070 --> 02:05:34,000
forever and if if we don't get this this

3122
02:05:37,910 --> 02:05:36,080
stuff archived it'll be gone forever and

3123
02:05:38,629 --> 02:05:37,920
there must be a lot of gems out there

3124
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:38,639
too

3125
02:05:42,149 --> 02:05:39,840
to see

3126
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:42,159
oh i have some of ray palmer's flying

3127
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:44,480
saucer magazines they're great they have

3128
02:05:48,950 --> 02:05:46,480
some wonderful stories in them they're

3129
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:48,960
really worth preserving i'm going to ask

3130
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:50,639
you a question here

3131
02:05:54,870 --> 02:05:52,880
or actually more of a request when you

3132
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:54,880
go through your collection

3133
02:06:01,830 --> 02:05:57,119
of ray palmer's flying saucers look at

3134
02:06:05,350 --> 02:06:01,840
the issues from 1965 and 1966

3135
02:06:08,629 --> 02:06:05,360
okay where he has an article in there

3136
02:06:10,470 --> 02:06:08,639
entitled no investigations can actually

3137
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:10,480
proceed

3138
02:06:16,950 --> 02:06:13,520
which stands for nightcap

3139
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:16,960
read that story

3140
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:18,880
i wonder who the author is

3141
02:06:23,990 --> 02:06:21,599
well palmer wrote this story

3142
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:24,000
but it's about me and alan greenfield

3143
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:30,709
and our encounter with nightcap and

3144
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:32,480
richard hall

3145
02:06:36,390 --> 02:06:34,880
those were the j's

3146
02:06:38,709 --> 02:06:36,400
so you let us know this will ask

3147
02:06:40,229 --> 02:06:38,719
questions later you know before class is

3148
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:40,239
dismissed

3149
02:06:45,910 --> 02:06:42,159
all right let's just move back to our

3150
02:06:47,830 --> 02:06:45,920
world of ufos here and our world of

3151
02:06:49,990 --> 02:06:47,840
orange warps i want to go back to the

3152
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:50,000
concerns you have about mufon

3153
02:06:54,390 --> 02:06:52,480
now the fact that you are a field

3154
02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:54,400
investigator even if you have concerns

3155
02:06:58,149 --> 02:06:55,920
with the way they're investigating or

3156
02:07:00,870 --> 02:06:58,159
not investigating sightings do they

3157
02:07:02,709 --> 02:07:00,880
express any concerns about that to you

3158
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:02,719
that you're not maybe in sync with their

3159
02:07:05,750 --> 02:07:04,159
philosophy

3160
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:05,760
no i think that they're well aware that

3161
02:07:09,750 --> 02:07:07,920
they've been more of a warehouse than an

3162
02:07:12,470 --> 02:07:09,760
investigative unit which is why they

3163
02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:12,480
created a sat the special assignment

3164
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:16,159
team which i'm part of uh we actually

3165
02:07:22,709 --> 02:07:19,520
send people two locations to investigate

3166
02:07:24,310 --> 02:07:22,719
and we try to give comprehensive reports

3167
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:24,320
on it for the most part a field

3168
02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:27,040
investigator we get 10 000 reports a

3169
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,280
year all right for the most part a lot

3170
02:07:33,270 --> 02:07:31,520
of them are mundane and they just do get

3171
02:07:34,790 --> 02:07:33,280
warehouse because there's only so much

3172
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:34,800
information you can get out of somebody

3173
02:07:39,910 --> 02:07:37,440
that says i saw a ball of light in the

3174
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:39,920
sky for two minutes and that's the

3175
02:07:44,149 --> 02:07:42,239
report so that's really not something

3176
02:07:46,550 --> 02:07:44,159
that you can investigate thoroughly

3177
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:46,560
because there's not much to go on what

3178
02:07:51,189 --> 02:07:49,360
sat does is investigate the really

3179
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:51,199
complex cases one of them that they're

3180
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:53,040
doing right now

3181
02:07:58,550 --> 02:07:56,400
takes place in arkansas over a quartz

3182
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,560
mine there have been an incredible

3183
02:08:03,109 --> 02:08:00,880
amount of orbs and beams of light

3184
02:08:04,589 --> 02:08:03,119
shooting up into the sky some people

3185
02:08:06,870 --> 02:08:04,599
would say that this is just

3186
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:06,880
physioelectricity from the crushing of

3187
02:08:12,229 --> 02:08:09,360
courts which creates an electric spark

3188
02:08:15,109 --> 02:08:12,239
but there's just too much going on so

3189
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:15,119
they're looking into earthquake zones

3190
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:17,280
electromagnetic anomalies gravity

3191
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:19,520
fluctuations in that area to see if they

3192
02:08:23,350 --> 02:08:20,800
can come up with some sort of

3193
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:23,360
comprehensive theory as to what's

3194
02:08:29,910 --> 02:08:26,400
actually going on in arkansas at this um

3195
02:08:32,149 --> 02:08:29,920
quartz mine so yes mufon is aware of

3196
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:32,159
their shortcomings and they are trying

3197
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:35,599
to um overcome that warehousing only

3198
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:37,040
phenomenon

3199
02:08:41,830 --> 02:08:39,199
bob at the beginning of the show you

3200
02:08:44,470 --> 02:08:41,840
mentioned briefly erling strand from the

3201
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:44,480
hess darling project um

3202
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:46,960
can you explain a bit more about his

3203
02:08:51,750 --> 02:08:49,520
interest in orbs or what what's been

3204
02:08:54,069 --> 02:08:51,760
happening over in hess allen in terms of

3205
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:54,079
orbs i know i know some of the classic

3206
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:56,560
photos and stuff are over there and it's

3207
02:09:02,069 --> 02:09:00,000
a long-running um monitoring project um

3208
02:09:03,830 --> 02:09:02,079
but but do you have any more information

3209
02:09:06,149 --> 02:09:03,840
specifically with orange jorbs and hair

3210
02:09:08,149 --> 02:09:06,159
stylin yeah i just pulled up my section

3211
02:09:10,149 --> 02:09:08,159
of i i have a spreadsheet that i uh not

3212
02:09:12,310 --> 02:09:10,159
a spreadsheet a powerpoint presentation

3213
02:09:16,470 --> 02:09:12,320
uh that i give sometimes and i have a

3214
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:16,480
section on uh mr strand uh he believes

3215
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:21,990
where is it

3216
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:24,960
that their 95 thermal plasma is five

3217
02:09:30,629 --> 02:09:27,679
percent unknown solid objects the lights

3218
02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:30,639
emit long wave and low radio frequencies

3219
02:09:35,109 --> 02:09:32,400
they give off electromagnetic

3220
02:09:36,550 --> 02:09:35,119
wavelengths longer than the infrared

3221
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:36,560
this is what i find most interesting

3222
02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:38,639
they're not single objects there are

3223
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,119
many smaller components vibrating around

3224
02:09:46,149 --> 02:09:42,960
the common center it's almost as if

3225
02:09:48,470 --> 02:09:46,159
they're a colony the small balls eject

3226
02:09:50,229 --> 02:09:48,480
other balls which is a phenomenon that

3227
02:09:52,709 --> 02:09:50,239
we've seen with the experiments with

3228
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:52,719
plasma that some scientists are doing

3229
02:09:58,709 --> 02:09:55,360
where it almost seems that these plasma

3230
02:10:00,790 --> 02:09:58,719
balls consciously are able to reproduce

3231
02:10:03,990 --> 02:10:00,800
which shows again some form of

3232
02:10:07,430 --> 02:10:04,000
intelligence their luminosity increases

3233
02:10:09,510 --> 02:10:07,440
because they increase in size and the

3234
02:10:12,310 --> 02:10:09,520
cause and physical mechanism of the

3235
02:10:14,870 --> 02:10:12,320
emitted radiation is unknown i spoke

3236
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:14,880
with him at um the mufon conference two

3237
02:10:18,149 --> 02:10:16,639
years ago and

3238
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:18,159
he said that they don't know what causes

3239
02:10:23,589 --> 02:10:20,880
the radiation so i've just had a thought

3240
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:23,599
if there is plasma involved

3241
02:10:28,149 --> 02:10:25,599
goggs has a thought that he'll express

3242
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:28,159
in our next segment with gene goggs and

3243
02:10:42,510 --> 02:10:41,589
thank you for listening to gcn

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3346
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listening to the peercast

3347
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:12,310
so just before we were about to end the

3348
02:15:17,030 --> 02:15:15,040
previous segment gog signaled he had

3349
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:17,040
some observations to make about what

3350
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:18,960
robert sparing was saying

3351
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:22,880
cogs yeah it just struck me that plasma

3352
02:15:30,069 --> 02:15:26,800
is affected by magnetic fields

3353
02:15:32,709 --> 02:15:30,079
so i'm just wondering if there are any

3354
02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:32,719
uh cases that bob's aware of

3355
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:35,280
where maybe orbs are seen

3356
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:39,360
at the polls or in conjunction with um

3357
02:15:44,470 --> 02:15:43,040
the auroras borealis or australis

3358
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:44,480
um or

3359
02:15:51,109 --> 02:15:46,800
just any other kind of um

3360
02:15:53,750 --> 02:15:51,119
generation of strong magnetic fields

3361
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:53,760
well no not something like the aurora

3362
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:56,560
borealis but two cases one in new jersey

3363
02:16:01,189 --> 02:15:58,639
where a woman came within 10 feet of an

3364
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:01,199
orb and when we went out to investigate

3365
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:04,880
where the orb was hovering it was over

3366
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:07,599
a generator an electric thing in a green

3367
02:16:11,430 --> 02:16:09,599
box that was generating the power from

3368
02:16:14,229 --> 02:16:11,440
the street into her house so it seemed

3369
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:14,239
like it was actually sapping energy from

3370
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,320
this electrical box

3371
02:16:20,629 --> 02:16:18,639
microwaves we get a lot of cases where

3372
02:16:23,510 --> 02:16:20,639
orbs seem to change direction as they

3373
02:16:25,270 --> 02:16:23,520
fly around the microwave tower now the

3374
02:16:28,229 --> 02:16:25,280
thing that's interesting about plasmas

3375
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:28,239
is that if they're not being cohesive by

3376
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:30,400
some sort of internal mechanism which we

3377
02:16:34,709 --> 02:16:32,559
know nothing of they need to be held

3378
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:34,719
together by some sort of field either a

3379
02:16:40,070 --> 02:16:37,439
microwave field or an electromagnetic

3380
02:16:42,870 --> 02:16:40,080
field there's nothing that we know of

3381
02:16:45,669 --> 02:16:42,880
apart from possibly microwave

3382
02:16:48,950 --> 02:16:45,679
towers that can actually create a field

3383
02:16:51,030 --> 02:16:48,960
strong enough to hold these entities in

3384
02:16:53,750 --> 02:16:51,040
place there simply just isn't enough

3385
02:16:57,110 --> 02:16:53,760
electromagnetic energy to hold a four

3386
02:17:01,110 --> 02:16:57,120
foot wide plasma ball together for an

3387
02:17:02,870 --> 02:17:01,120
hour so science is at a loss as to how

3388
02:17:04,469 --> 02:17:02,880
these plasma balls which should want to

3389
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:04,479
revert to their natural state and

3390
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:07,280
disappear can somehow last for up to an

3391
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:11,439
hour i have a not a personal sighting of

3392
02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:14,000
ball lightning but very close family

3393
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:16,719
friend a single mother with two teenage

3394
02:17:21,990 --> 02:17:19,200
daughters now the mother was a

3395
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:22,000
pharmacist so she's a woman of

3396
02:17:25,910 --> 02:17:24,000
intelligence and hopefully some common

3397
02:17:27,669 --> 02:17:25,920
sense i i know her personally so i'm

3398
02:17:31,030 --> 02:17:27,679
going to say that

3399
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:31,040
and so she lived in a a seaside

3400
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:33,040
right next to the harbour

3401
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:35,760
a coastal uh village town in the

3402
02:17:39,669 --> 02:17:37,519
northeast of scotland

3403
02:17:41,349 --> 02:17:39,679
and she told me about the experience

3404
02:17:43,349 --> 02:17:41,359
they had of ball lightning once they're

3405
02:17:45,669 --> 02:17:43,359
in their front sitting room which is

3406
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:45,679
facing the sea i believe it was during

3407
02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:46,880
the day

3408
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:49,439
but something that was perfectly

3409
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:52,639
spherical about a foot in diameter or 12

3410
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:56,399
inches in diameter that had that classic

3411
02:18:02,389 --> 02:17:59,439
kind of uh electric blue

3412
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:02,399
kind of haze like almost a like a living

3413
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:05,200
electricity color about it i believe she

3414
02:18:08,870 --> 02:18:06,479
said there were

3415
02:18:11,910 --> 02:18:08,880
other kind of colors about and

3416
02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:11,920
it came in through her window as if the

3417
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:13,840
window wasn't there a bit like you know

3418
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:15,920
in abductions they float through doors

3419
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:18,000
or windows but it came in

3420
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:20,160
kind of floated about there was nothing

3421
02:18:24,790 --> 02:18:22,399
in its behavior that screamed i'm an

3422
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:24,800
intelligent probe or something to her

3423
02:18:29,990 --> 02:18:26,559
but it certainly didn't seem to be

3424
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:30,000
affected by gravity or wind and it

3425
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:32,399
seemed to bop about a bit just for maybe

3426
02:18:36,790 --> 02:18:34,960
around a minute which is 60 seconds

3427
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:36,800
which actually having experience like

3428
02:18:40,309 --> 02:18:38,399
that 60 seconds

3429
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:40,319
is quite a long time for something to be

3430
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:43,040
up close and personal and i never forget

3431
02:18:48,870 --> 02:18:45,439
that she said that when it left it's

3432
02:18:51,830 --> 02:18:48,880
like it went out the television aerial

3433
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:51,840
sockets so where the old style tv was

3434
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,319
plugged into the wall with a lead which

3435
02:18:59,429 --> 02:18:56,399
would go up to the aerial on the roof

3436
02:19:01,910 --> 02:18:59,439
she said it kind of went out the wall at

3437
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:01,920
that point kind of collapsing i believe

3438
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:04,719
on itself as if that point in the wall

3439
02:19:10,309 --> 02:19:07,280
where the receiver cable was as if it

3440
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,319
was some kind of focus or

3441
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:12,479
sink or whatever

3442
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:14,000
so they were stunned and they didn't

3443
02:19:17,429 --> 02:19:15,840
know what that was i'm not even sure if

3444
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:17,439
they'd heard of ball lightning before

3445
02:19:20,549 --> 02:19:19,280
this would have been in the early 90s i

3446
02:19:23,750 --> 02:19:20,559
believe

3447
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:23,760
so they called out the electricity board

3448
02:19:29,190 --> 02:19:27,280
and i believe maybe even a tv repairman

3449
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:29,200
because because it seemed to have this

3450
02:19:35,110 --> 02:19:32,240
interaction with a part of the tv setup

3451
02:19:36,709 --> 02:19:35,120
and the the guy from the electric board

3452
02:19:40,389 --> 02:19:36,719
said well there's there's nothing wrong

3453
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:40,399
with the electricity wiring in your home

3454
02:19:45,349 --> 02:19:42,559
uh he didn't have any professional

3455
02:19:47,830 --> 02:19:45,359
experience of that but he did mention

3456
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:47,840
something about in the you know

3457
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:49,280
large-scale

3458
02:19:54,550 --> 02:19:52,080
electricity generation and grid

3459
02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:54,560
that kind of industry he says that there

3460
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,120
are kind of urban myths if you like or

3461
02:20:02,469 --> 02:19:59,920
or just tales with no evidence about

3462
02:20:04,550 --> 02:20:02,479
such things being reported before

3463
02:20:06,550 --> 02:20:04,560
it wasn't a completely new concept to

3464
02:20:08,309 --> 02:20:06,560
that guy but he didn't have any

3465
02:20:10,469 --> 02:20:08,319
information or any explanation

3466
02:20:12,950 --> 02:20:10,479
whatsoever there's a book from like the

3467
02:20:15,030 --> 02:20:12,960
19th early 1960s that scientifically

3468
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:15,040
investigated ball lightning at the time

3469
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,319
and we know much more about bull

3470
02:20:20,710 --> 02:20:18,479
lightning now than we used to at one

3471
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:20,720
time they said ball lightning wasn't

3472
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:23,040
real meteorites they didn't believe

3473
02:20:27,030 --> 02:20:24,880
until 200 years ago that meteorites

3474
02:20:29,830 --> 02:20:27,040
that's that rocks fell from the sky sure

3475
02:20:31,830 --> 02:20:29,840
that's true but ball lightning usually

3476
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:31,840
happens with thunderstorms it usually is

3477
02:20:36,870 --> 02:20:34,000
small like 12 inches whereas orbs are

3478
02:20:39,110 --> 02:20:36,880
larger orbs never go into houses ball

3479
02:20:41,429 --> 02:20:39,120
lightnings come out of people's ovens

3480
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:41,439
they come out of people's sink drains

3481
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:44,000
they go through windows they travel

3482
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:46,720
along power lines or lightning they

3483
02:20:49,910 --> 02:20:48,560
believe is made out of silica

3484
02:20:52,150 --> 02:20:49,920
nanoparticles that have become

3485
02:20:54,389 --> 02:20:52,160
plasmarized when lightning hits the

3486
02:20:57,190 --> 02:20:54,399
ground it strikes dirt and dirt is

3487
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,200
mostly silica and when the dust of the

3488
02:21:01,750 --> 02:20:59,280
silica goes up in the air in an

3489
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:01,760
electrical field it turns into a plasma

3490
02:21:06,550 --> 02:21:03,920
and creates these short-lived ball

3491
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:06,560
lightning balls very rarely do they live

3492
02:21:12,230 --> 02:21:09,040
past one minute and frequently they

3493
02:21:13,830 --> 02:21:12,240
explode at the end of their life span

3494
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:13,840
but it's definitely

3495
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:17,200
a different phenomenon than orange orbs

3496
02:21:23,349 --> 02:21:20,160
but they both may be plasmas now the

3497
02:21:25,750 --> 02:21:23,359
only time i've seen anything purporting

3498
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,760
to be artificially created ball

3499
02:21:29,830 --> 02:21:26,880
lightning

3500
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:29,840
was probably 15 to 20 years ago

3501
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:32,800
by some scientists or other engineer

3502
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:34,640
well all i remember about it was there

3503
02:21:39,750 --> 02:21:36,080
was definitely

3504
02:21:42,389 --> 02:21:39,760
high voltage was involved a metal tray

3505
02:21:44,070 --> 02:21:42,399
possibly some gas or as you're seeing

3506
02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:44,080
particulates i don't know if it was

3507
02:21:49,830 --> 02:21:47,120
silica fine silica particles

3508
02:21:51,750 --> 02:21:49,840
but it was admitted by this person that

3509
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:51,760
was doing the recreation trying to

3510
02:21:56,550 --> 02:21:54,000
explain ball lightning because we're

3511
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:56,560
still definitely in the period then as

3512
02:22:01,349 --> 02:21:58,880
gene was alluding to when it wasn't even

3513
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:01,359
accepted as definitely being a reality

3514
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:03,200
but i remember seeing what he was

3515
02:22:08,950 --> 02:22:06,000
creating was very short-lived and maybe

3516
02:22:11,590 --> 02:22:08,960
only an inch in diameter at most do you

3517
02:22:13,910 --> 02:22:11,600
know if there's ever been any attempt to

3518
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:13,920
recreate ball lightning artificially

3519
02:22:19,349 --> 02:22:16,880
that's got anywhere near the scale of

3520
02:22:21,750 --> 02:22:19,359
what's reported in the natural world

3521
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:21,760
uh yes as a matter of fact sometimes

3522
02:22:26,230 --> 02:22:23,840
they're called complex space charge

3523
02:22:29,349 --> 02:22:26,240
configurations csccs

3524
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:29,359
and in 2003 there was an experiment done

3525
02:22:34,309 --> 02:22:31,600
where they actually got lightning balls

3526
02:22:35,830 --> 02:22:34,319
in a field to reproduce on my website it

3527
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:35,840
is the top

3528
02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:37,840
article on my website right now there's

3529
02:22:42,309 --> 02:22:40,080
even a video associated with it i can't

3530
02:22:45,030 --> 02:22:42,319
recall the gentleman's name but it was

3531
02:22:48,389 --> 02:22:45,040
at kuza university in romania the study

3532
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:48,399
was done and it was in 2003 and there's

3533
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:50,080
a very detailed article about it on my

3534
02:22:55,030 --> 02:22:53,680
website and a video uh so yes they have

3535
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:55,040
continued to do

3536
02:22:59,590 --> 02:22:57,520
experiments with plasma balls plasma

3537
02:23:02,150 --> 02:22:59,600
balls can be held indefinitely in like a

3538
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:02,160
microwave oven if you have the microwave

3539
02:23:06,710 --> 02:23:04,560
field going on i'm looking at the photos

3540
02:23:09,429 --> 02:23:06,720
just now on the website so these bright

3541
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,439
circular white parts is this the

3542
02:23:14,150 --> 02:23:11,600
the ball lightning yes and that's it

3543
02:23:17,270 --> 02:23:14,160
actually reproducing itself

3544
02:23:19,110 --> 02:23:17,280
yeah yeah and what's the scale there how

3545
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:19,120
large is that is that a human sitting

3546
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:20,399
down or is that just something yes

3547
02:23:25,110 --> 02:23:22,479
that's that's a human i believe it's a

3548
02:23:27,670 --> 02:23:25,120
human yes the average plasma ball is

3549
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,680
about four feet that's the majority of

3550
02:23:31,590 --> 02:23:29,359
reports that we get they average about

3551
02:23:33,750 --> 02:23:31,600
four feet but i mean people have have

3552
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:33,760
said that they've seen them as small as

3553
02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:36,240
a marble and people have reported that

3554
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:39,200
it was an 800 foot orange or beaming

3555
02:23:45,990 --> 02:23:41,920
light down onto my house so as far as we

3556
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:46,000
can tell they could come in any size

3557
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the way bob i just love how your website

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says this website seeks to provide only

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serious and theoretical accounts for

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ufos we only offer serious articles

3561
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yes well thank you very much yeah

3562
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absolutely it's good that you say that

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because we know just how full of crap

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this subject actually has in the

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internet right

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i've read a lot of the articles myself

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um the other head article that i have up

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there right now is the helicopters

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chasing drones and i actually give the

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mufon cases and give the actual text

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reading the people's words this isn't

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this is our final segment of our

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visit with robert sparing talking mostly

3678
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:20,000
about

3679
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:23,120
orange orbs fascinating cases

3680
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:25,760
possible signs of intelligent control

3681
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and we look at the other possibilities

3682
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here about

3683
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:32,319
living ufos and is it at all possible

3684
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here that one explanation is that

3685
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,359
there just happen to be different types

3686
02:29:42,070 --> 02:29:39,840
of life forms that exist on earth and

3687
02:29:45,590 --> 02:29:42,080
because they don't appear to be

3688
02:29:46,469 --> 02:29:45,600
the kind of forms we recognize animal

3689
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fish

3690
02:29:50,790 --> 02:29:48,479
whatever human

3691
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:50,800
that we just don't understand them and

3692
02:29:55,070 --> 02:29:53,040
maybe that's what it's all about if you

3693
02:29:57,190 --> 02:29:55,080
look at nature i mean we have

3694
02:29:59,590 --> 02:29:57,200
bioluminescence we have creatures that

3695
02:30:02,710 --> 02:29:59,600
glow in the dark we have all sorts of

3696
02:30:04,870 --> 02:30:02,720
bizarre life forms who's to say that

3697
02:30:08,150 --> 02:30:04,880
plasma balls can't

3698
02:30:10,469 --> 02:30:08,160
form some sort of cohesive intelligent

3699
02:30:12,550 --> 02:30:10,479
system and be considered a life form

3700
02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:12,560
just because it's not a plant or an

3701
02:30:17,510 --> 02:30:14,800
animal why can't there be other forms of

3702
02:30:19,670 --> 02:30:17,520
life maybe orbs are the predominant form

3703
02:30:21,270 --> 02:30:19,680
of life on another planet you know maybe

3704
02:30:23,750 --> 02:30:21,280
they're the predominant form of life

3705
02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:23,760
throughout the universe you know maybe

3706
02:30:29,110 --> 02:30:27,280
they're so common everywhere that they

3707
02:30:31,270 --> 02:30:29,120
should be considered you know one of the

3708
02:30:33,590 --> 02:30:31,280
most plentiful life forms in the

3709
02:30:34,469 --> 02:30:33,600
universe in other words there's just a

3710
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,479
lot

3711
02:30:39,349 --> 02:30:36,720
that we don't understand about life and

3712
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:39,359
we certainly can't imagine what

3713
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:41,120
life form would gain

3714
02:30:46,070 --> 02:30:43,680
prominence on another planet we know

3715
02:30:48,950 --> 02:30:46,080
from science that there appear to be

3716
02:30:50,710 --> 02:30:48,960
earth-like planets that we found

3717
02:30:53,910 --> 02:30:50,720
we're going to be putting up new

3718
02:30:56,870 --> 02:30:53,920
telescopes that might help us check in

3719
02:30:58,389 --> 02:30:56,880
more detail the atmospheric composition

3720
02:31:00,710 --> 02:30:58,399
of some of those planets to at least

3721
02:31:03,429 --> 02:31:00,720
tell us if they have the potential to

3722
02:31:05,990 --> 02:31:03,439
support life as we know it but that

3723
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:06,000
doesn't mean humans live there and if

3724
02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:08,000
there are intelligent species that have

3725
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:10,560
perfected space travel it doesn't mean

3726
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:12,399
we'd even understand who and what they

3727
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:13,280
were

3728
02:31:18,950 --> 02:31:16,720
and plasmas are the most common form of

3729
02:31:21,030 --> 02:31:18,960
matter in the universe

3730
02:31:24,150 --> 02:31:21,040
just to let you in on it

3731
02:31:28,070 --> 02:31:24,160
okay so the attack of the living plasmas

3732
02:31:29,510 --> 02:31:28,080
from zeta reticuli uh could be who knows

3733
02:31:30,550 --> 02:31:29,520
where do you go from here with your

3734
02:31:32,389 --> 02:31:30,560
research

3735
02:31:36,230 --> 02:31:32,399
obviously you've collected tons and tons

3736
02:31:38,870 --> 02:31:36,240
of stories tons of reports any way to

3737
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:38,880
begin to put them in a cohesive whole to

3738
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:40,800
get a really really good picture of what

3739
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:43,120
might be involved with these orbs yes

3740
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:45,120
i'm looking at my spreadsheet now i look

3741
02:31:49,590 --> 02:31:47,520
at things like duration number of orbs

3742
02:31:51,270 --> 02:31:49,600
in the sighting their primary color

3743
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:51,280
whether they're attracted to fireworks

3744
02:31:55,830 --> 02:31:53,760
whether they merge or separate what the

3745
02:31:58,070 --> 02:31:55,840
weather conditions are what the wind

3746
02:32:00,389 --> 02:31:58,080
speed is in wind direction as compared

3747
02:32:02,550 --> 02:32:00,399
to the orb direction whether following

3748
02:32:05,429 --> 02:32:02,560
horizontal or vertical paths whether

3749
02:32:08,230 --> 02:32:05,439
they have people report sounds smells

3750
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:08,240
close encounters estimated altitude

3751
02:32:13,590 --> 02:32:11,040
geometric patterns rays of light emitted

3752
02:32:16,230 --> 02:32:13,600
sonic booms emitted technologically

3753
02:32:19,990 --> 02:32:16,240
unbelievable maneuvers and basically i'm

3754
02:32:22,389 --> 02:32:20,000
going to take all of these 600 cases and

3755
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:22,399
work out the percentages of what these

3756
02:32:27,990 --> 02:32:25,200
behaviors are and anything over 50

3757
02:32:30,550 --> 02:32:28,000
percent we're gonna look at closely to

3758
02:32:33,750 --> 02:32:30,560
see if we can come up with any sort of

3759
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:33,760
theory as to what they are but my matrix

3760
02:32:38,710 --> 02:32:37,439
is huge on excel right now with all the

3761
02:32:40,309 --> 02:32:38,720
information i have whether it is

3762
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:40,319
photographic evidence whether there's

3763
02:32:44,950 --> 02:32:42,160
evidence of telepathy what their

3764
02:32:46,790 --> 02:32:44,960
apparent sizes what their actual sizes

3765
02:32:48,389 --> 02:32:46,800
uh whether they have a bell-shaped

3766
02:32:50,710 --> 02:32:48,399
membrane around them which is another

3767
02:32:52,389 --> 02:32:50,720
characteristic of some orbs that people

3768
02:32:55,270 --> 02:32:52,399
see when they're close up so we're going

3769
02:32:57,750 --> 02:32:55,280
to take all of this information and

3770
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:57,760
bring it down to something that can be

3771
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,840
reported on and then basically i figure

3772
02:33:02,469 --> 02:33:01,600
it's going to take me another year to do

3773
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:02,479
this

3774
02:33:06,870 --> 02:33:04,479
what is your work background when you're

3775
02:33:09,510 --> 02:33:06,880
not following orbs i worked for a

3776
02:33:11,110 --> 02:33:09,520
railroad for 31 years i've done a number

3777
02:33:13,429 --> 02:33:11,120
of things i've been a rail traffic

3778
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:13,439
controller i've been a rail engineer

3779
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:16,080
driving the train um i spent 10 years in

3780
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:17,920
management three is a safety

3781
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:19,920
investigator investigating railroad

3782
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:23,600
accidents on seven years doing budgets i

3783
02:33:27,270 --> 02:33:25,040
actually work for the port authority of

3784
02:33:29,429 --> 02:33:27,280
new york and new jersey i used to do

3785
02:33:32,070 --> 02:33:29,439
statistical analysis cost savings

3786
02:33:34,309 --> 02:33:32,080
analysis i was in charge of a 21 million

3787
02:33:35,910 --> 02:33:34,319
dollar budget and i've been there for 31

3788
02:33:37,830 --> 02:33:35,920
years i'm a graduate of fordham

3789
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:37,840
university uh with a ba in

3790
02:33:42,150 --> 02:33:40,560
communications and a lifelong interest

3791
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:42,160
in ufos

3792
02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:43,920
and certainly you seem to know how to

3793
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:46,640
handle statistics yes i love statistics

3794
02:33:50,870 --> 02:33:48,720
i could look at numbers all night long

3795
02:33:54,150 --> 02:33:50,880
when i put these into the computer uh

3796
02:33:55,990 --> 02:33:54,160
taking each individual report reading it

3797
02:33:57,990 --> 02:33:56,000
boiling down the info and putting it

3798
02:33:59,750 --> 02:33:58,000
into uh some sort of comprehensible

3799
02:34:02,670 --> 02:33:59,760
understanding way

3800
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:02,680
would you agree with me then that the

3801
02:34:08,630 --> 02:34:05,200
statistical studies

3802
02:34:11,349 --> 02:34:08,640
the databases from mufon and say the

3803
02:34:13,910 --> 02:34:11,359
national ufo reporting center that

3804
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:13,920
things like this ought to be merged so

3805
02:34:19,830 --> 02:34:16,560
we have a single data point what there's

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02:34:24,150 --> 02:34:19,840
so many is the the ufo cat there's the

3807
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:24,160
kufos database there's mufon there's um

3808
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:26,880
the new fork database they all contain

3809
02:34:31,110 --> 02:34:28,800
different information and it's very hard

3810
02:34:33,510 --> 02:34:31,120
to merge them even isaac coy is getting

3811
02:34:34,790 --> 02:34:33,520
another database from somebody i can't

3812
02:34:36,790 --> 02:34:34,800
remember his name

3813
02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:36,800
but um the fields are different it would

3814
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:39,760
be a monumental task to merge all of

3815
02:34:43,429 --> 02:34:42,080
these databases and some databases are

3816
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:43,439
better than others

3817
02:34:48,870 --> 02:34:46,000
new forks database is much larger than

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02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:48,880
mufon's but mufon's contains many more

3819
02:34:54,389 --> 02:34:51,920
fields than new forks information and

3820
02:34:55,910 --> 02:34:54,399
some of the um older databases from

3821
02:34:57,670 --> 02:34:55,920
kufos and such

3822
02:35:00,150 --> 02:34:57,680
contain totally different fields that

3823
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:00,160
don't match anything that mufon has so

3824
02:35:05,030 --> 02:35:02,720
would really be a major undertaking and

3825
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:05,040
it would all be volunteer work i don't

3826
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:06,800
know if you're ever going to get that

3827
02:35:11,030 --> 02:35:08,640
many people to want to do something like

3828
02:35:13,429 --> 02:35:11,040
that unfortunately you see the goal for

3829
02:35:16,070 --> 02:35:13,439
something like that would be to try to

3830
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:16,080
take care of duplicate information

3831
02:35:20,150 --> 02:35:18,240
right find additional information i

3832
02:35:22,070 --> 02:35:20,160
understand the fields

3833
02:35:23,270 --> 02:35:22,080
in a database are different

3834
02:35:25,030 --> 02:35:23,280
and you

3835
02:35:26,550 --> 02:35:25,040
have to translate them or have a

3836
02:35:29,110 --> 02:35:26,560
translation

3837
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,120
script if you're picking up one database

3838
02:35:32,230 --> 02:35:30,960
and bringing it into another you have to

3839
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:32,240
have a master

3840
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:34,720
database this is what it's going to be

3841
02:35:38,550 --> 02:35:36,160
and then you bring them in and you look

3842
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:38,560
for the differences and you try to find

3843
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:40,399
corresponding information

3844
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:42,240
i kind of think though

3845
02:35:46,230 --> 02:35:44,720
it's possible with a real database

3846
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:46,240
expert who might be able to put that

3847
02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:48,399
together somebody who's really really

3848
02:35:52,389 --> 02:35:50,000
heavily skilled not just someone who's

3849
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:52,399
good at statistics but maybe there's a

3850
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:54,560
database expert out there who'd be

3851
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:56,000
willing to do that but then you have to

3852
02:35:58,710 --> 02:35:57,040
have the willingness of these

3853
02:36:01,910 --> 02:35:58,720
organizations to say you know what this

3854
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:01,920
can be done we can all share data have a

3855
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:04,560
single database for everything and that

3856
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:07,040
way maybe we get some more progress in

3857
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:08,720
figuring out what's going on here with

3858
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:11,359
ufos and related mysteries there's a lot

3859
02:36:16,710 --> 02:36:14,080
of territory and a lot of egos in

3860
02:36:20,710 --> 02:36:16,720
ufology and i think that that uh impairs

3861
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,720
the process a lot to put it mildly

3862
02:36:24,550 --> 02:36:22,399
there the complete story of the

3863
02:36:27,030 --> 02:36:24,560
worldwide invasion of the orange orbs

3864
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:27,040
the book by terry ray tell us a little

3865
02:36:30,710 --> 02:36:29,359
bit about of it a bit more about it he

3866
02:36:33,190 --> 02:36:30,720
came up with some interesting things he

3867
02:36:34,950 --> 02:36:33,200
believes that walls of orbs want to be

3868
02:36:36,309 --> 02:36:34,960
seen by people that they're trying to

3869
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:36,319
communicate and that's why we get a

3870
02:36:40,230 --> 02:36:37,840
majority of the sightings over large

3871
02:36:43,349 --> 02:36:40,240
cities they avoid places like washington

3872
02:36:45,750 --> 02:36:43,359
dc and disney world uh which i found was

3873
02:36:47,990 --> 02:36:45,760
unusual and that he believes that there

3874
02:36:50,389 --> 02:36:48,000
may be some that are

3875
02:36:52,710 --> 02:36:50,399
associated with entities both tall and

3876
02:36:54,950 --> 02:36:52,720
short entities his book is broken into

3877
02:36:57,510 --> 02:36:54,960
three parts a beginning investigation

3878
02:36:59,349 --> 02:36:57,520
about 100 stories in the middle and a

3879
02:37:01,750 --> 02:36:59,359
conclusion at the end the stories are

3880
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:01,760
fascinating it's a really good read

3881
02:37:05,990 --> 02:37:03,680
if you're into reading about ufo

3882
02:37:07,750 --> 02:37:06,000
accounts especially about orange orbs

3883
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:07,760
robert sparring tell our listeners they

3884
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:09,439
want more information about the work

3885
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:11,120
you're doing where can they check you

3886
02:37:17,030 --> 02:37:13,040
out i encourage people to look at my

3887
02:37:20,550 --> 02:37:17,040
website it's free it's www dot

3888
02:37:23,349 --> 02:37:20,560
world ufo watch dot com

3889
02:37:25,030 --> 02:37:23,359
i have a great section on orb newspaper

3890
02:37:26,309 --> 02:37:25,040
clippings from three centuries that

3891
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:26,319
you'd want to look at

3892
02:37:34,230 --> 02:37:32,230
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02:38:26,790 --> 02:38:24,080
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02:38:29,590 --> 02:38:26,800
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02:38:31,910 --> 02:38:29,600
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02:38:34,710 --> 02:38:31,920
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3918
02:38:36,150 --> 02:38:34,720
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3919
02:38:38,469 --> 02:38:36,160
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02:38:41,590 --> 02:38:38,479
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02:38:43,830 --> 02:38:41,600
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02:38:45,990 --> 02:38:43,840
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02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:46,000
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